Player Features and Ideas Discussion

True again.

They are not actively affecting the game.

And if you really can speak f fear in a computer generated virtual game enviroment...
That is a decision everybody has to make for themselves.

The same way an afk cloaker could say "afk cloaking is virtually impossible because someone might accidentally decloak and kill me" and don't say that's never happened before.

Once they are no longer visible in local they can no longer have the threat effect because you don't know they are there. We have gone over this too. AFK cloaking works because of local. This what makes AFK cloaking and local as an intel tool inextricable linked.

Which is why I want to get rid of such mechanics...but all of them.

You know this, yet you post this garbage.

Utter rubbish == "I cannot refute this idea, so I will resort to commenting my opinions".
Obviously I dislike hearing mean things... you wound me sir.

To the underlined part:
Your assumption that they are AFK is the very thing that they want.
Clearly, however, you don't believe they are actually AFK. You pointed out how you would not be "fooled" by them into undocking.
You also did not contest the idea that an AFK player can never hurt you.
Since an AFK player is no threat, then they are already removed from the game, effectively.

YOU are crying about the uncertainty, and desire to avoid risk.
YOU are saying you won't leave your safety while they are present.
By adding these together, YOU are saying you want the game changed to tell you when you are safe, with no uncertainty, so you can operate with known flawless intel able to warn you when actual danger presents itself.

YOU are saying EVE is currently unbalanced, because the change you want has no accompanying change to maintain an existing balance.

I hope you realize, you are sounding unreasonable.

I call BS.

I have repeatedly pointed out how I endorse a method to hunt cloaked ships.
But since that comes with the NEED to make an effort, you reject it.

You want your current free intel, AND a means to evict unwanted hostiles, despite how overpowering that makes sov holding against anything but a blob fleet intending to reinforce structures.

If that's the case, and AFK players have NO EFFECT, the I have 2 questions:
1. Why do people continue to AFK cloak?
2. Why do you care if their ability to AFK cloak is removed?

You can;t have it both ways. Either they have an effect and that's what you want to keep, or the have no effect and you are arguing against a change that affects nothing.

Don't be fuckin ridiculous.
No part of the game should require people to play the game as a career. If they should, then ALL players should have to treat the game as a career. You want to be able to do nothing yourself, but make sure big alliances have to work 24/7 to do anything. To be honest, I don;t even have to argue that, because CCP are not so stupid that they would put in a change that makes that the case.

This is a game people, not a job.

Hahaha, yeah all you want is free and easy kills with no ability to defend against you without costing thousands of manhours and billions of isk.
You want solo players and small groups to beat alliances without having to put in any effort
Well guess what buddy, it's not going to happen. You either need to put in some effort or continue to fail. I'll carry on as is, moving when a cloaker appears, happily enjoying my game, while you can continue to cry for years on end about how you hate local. You want to refuse to put in any other changes simply because I disagree with your dumb idea, that's fine, but its clear from that fact that the majority of individuals in this thread that have been anti your idea, and the mountains of previous "kill local" threads that you are in the minority. So continue to misquote people and continue to try to twist words to your favour as much as you want. It just shows that your idea is utterly useless and you are unable to evolve it into a workable plan.

Who hates Local?

Who said that?

What are you talking about?

EDIT: JK, no I do nothate local. But You cannot remove one thing without fixing the other.

It's easy, really.

Semi perma cloaking (A.K.A. AFK Cloaking) is a tool. It's being used to great effect nearly all regions of space (certain Hisec Systems included) and extensively.

And for a reason.

Local.

Local is the system mechanic that provides instantaneous intel so long as the system is not too crowded. And currently the only way to disrupt that intel is to place somebody in that system. for a very long time. You cannot know if the guy is afk because nobody, and I mean really nobody wants you to know.

Forget uncertainty, forget risk, forget anything that has anything to with "ganking da juicy minahs". ganking miners and ratters in nullsec is a mere tool to weaken the enemies supply lines, but there are better ways than some cloaky alt lurking for hours and hours in one system. Really.

The only reason AFK cloaking exists is because it currently is the only way to dilute the intel provided by the local mechanic.

The effort of placing one guy in that system, create a safe spot, and sit there and watch the system for hours upon hours with no end in sight.... just for the mere possibility that some ppor sod in his raven or drake undocks and doesn't stay aligned the whole time... Who would ever consider that "no effort"? That's hilariously bad.

Somebody had to pay the plex for that cloaked al sitting there.

But it's ok, I like local, I can diss people there and and have fun with random guys, we usually have a great laugh afterwards.

And it's ok because I COULD (that's not to say UI would, I only have this account) sit in a system cloaked up all day, doing something suefull for my corp and harmfull for my enemies.

[to be continued]

Answers:
1. Uncertainty. Like in poker, the tactic is a bluff. You don't know what they will play, and you either call their bluff or fold.
By refusing to play, you fold every time. This can be disappointing to those actually seeking combat, but is perfect for those actively supporting opposing powers, intent on harming your alliance on a different level.

2. Why do we care if any game element is removed? It removes options for play, and fewer options means less interesting interaction for all involved.

Your desire to absolutely protect your PvE assets, in a game where they have value based on how much risk they possess, is contradictory.