Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Killing idiots is never hard.

If a person can't be arsed to at least use the d-scan when undocking, they deserve every bad thing that happens to them as a result.

In fact, they should be petitionable where we get to change their in game name to IRDumm.

Which do yout think it more...interesting, fun, and challenging game?

Number logged in 5,
Number logged in 500,
Number logged in 5,000,
Number logged in 5,0000?

I'm guessing the more people logged in the more interesing and fun the game can be. As such, CCP likes seeing more people logged in than not. This is why when a new record of players logged in is broken they note it. Also, how long will a game last if the numbers logged in are not increasing all the time? Sure they might be making just as much or even more money, but my guess is that seeing more and more people logged in is viewed as a good thing from a bottom line perspective.

And if I'm sitting at my computer, at my keyboard, in a system cloaked, docked, or even mining ice, but am also watching netflix on the second monitor...why should my game be nerfed with a logoff timer? Why should I have to worry about that? I'm there at my keyboard...I'm just also doing something else in between whatever it is I'm waiting for.

Oh, it upsets your game play? Welcome to the sandbox.

Bump, before more AFK cloaking complaint threads decloak.

Nullsec 101:
- Stay aligned.
- Pay attention to dscan.
- Never fly something you can't afford to lose.
- Fit a point and tank, call in friendly blobs to deal with stupid reds.

The only people who get hurt by "afk cloakers" are people who are afk themselves, either afk missioning or afk mining and not paying attention. Or people who are flying ships so expensive that their own corp mates are seriously considering killing them for the drop or km bragging.

I'm not going to say the problem doesn't exist, but it's a sandbox problem that requires a sandbox solution (ie a functioning brain module). Although I will say Yolo's heat thing is neat.

Apologies if this offended anyone or if its been mentioned before.

You a solution for you problem, make cloaked ship invisible in local. Problem solved.

Bump

horribly unbalanced idea if no probes or anything that will counter cloaks is introduced.

So to you, balance means all null sec players are forced into combat regardless of shiptype so you can gank them, thus buffing your killboard and enlarging your epeen.
Good to know.

I kinda think balance is more about ensuring you DON'T leave some gaping hole by which someone can gain a massive advantage over others. Null players can't continue to do what they want should an enemy turn up, but are not guaranteed death if they play very well. This I consider balanced.
If local was nuked, like you so wish, cloakers would ALWAYS GET A KILL.
If you think that is balance, you are mistaken.

The short of this is, no matter how much you state you just want balance, you want easy kills, and you don't care how much of the rest of the game you destroy to get them. I'll stick with wanting whats good for the game as a whole, not for just a single ship type.

Ahh still flogging that straw man I see. Getting away everytime is the balance issue, you should face risk in null. So you should be able to get away...just not all the time.



We've been over this before Lucas. If there is a sov based upgradable intel mechanic if you or your alliance does leave a gaping hole, well it is your fault. In other words, you don't have to leave a gaping hole--and that means you certainly are not forced to leave a gaping hole.



You know Lucas, this is where you always run into trouble with other people in this debate. You are so damn conservative its ridiculous. When people say you want zero risk you get upset, but then you say everyone who disagrees with you wants easy kills. You want to be able to get away every time, as you indicate you always do under current mechanics, but should somebody say, "No, you should face some level of risk," that is totally unacceptable to you. You really come across as not only wanting to eat your cake and have it too, you want to eat everyone else's cake that doesn't agree with you. You have a truly closed mind on this subject.

What VARIABLE will you add to change this then? Any mechanic will result in both side mastering it, thus resulting in a single outcome every time. The same as now, if I'm in an orca in a system, I won't get out in the same time as a frigate, So I need to get at least +1 intel. If I'm in a freighter I need +2. as long as I always do my job right, I'll always get out. HOW will this be different if there's is simply another mechanic in place for me to get intel?
If there isn't a mechanic for me to get intel, then you will kill me every time as I will NEVER be able to get out.
The think you seem to NOT understand EVERY TIME is that without adding a variable to the scenario, you can't expect a variable outcome, yet you continuously bang on about this "not all the time" thing. What you are asking for is simply not possible, and nuking local won't change that.

But then NOTHING IS DIFFERENT FOR SOLO PVP. The ONLY thing this does is mean that fleet battles are completely ******. If I can still get my intel, then you'll still be crying about how I get away every time. See above.
So why break a mechanic for thousands of people to CHANGE NOTHING for your target group?

I want the opportunity to get away when I put the effort in. YOU want me to sometimes die, no matter how hard I try to get away. How exactly are you going to get that in without making my intel flawed to the point you could abuse it to kill me EVERY TIME?

And what you are asking for is the ability to sneak up on miners and point them before they can see you and respond. How can you suggest that is NOT an EASY KILL? It's an unarmed ship that you want to take away any chance of escape from.

Simply put, If you can come up with a way to chuck in a variable to the intel system that doesn't break everything, I'm happy for your "sometimes" solution, but the only solutions to removal local either result in no change (I always escape), or an imbalanced cloaker, (I always die).

Oh and side note: me escaping STILL TAKES EFFORT, and STILL MEANS I CANT MINE/RAT in the system. So it's not like I get to simply ignore the threat and carry on. You are acting like I get to continue to do whatever I want while you are unable to act. See you don;t want to have an effect on me, you want the kill. Well tough luck buddy, ganking unarmed miners in null is not and should never be a simple task. Grow up and PvP properly.