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Orca: LSE or AB?
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Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#21 - 2013-03-19 17:41:48 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Namdor wrote:
"Hey guys, what should I do?"
"You should do this."
"No, I don't want to do that."



This.


No, it's
'Should I do X or Y?'
"Do Z!"
'I can't do Z.'
"DO IT ANYWAY"


keep in mind in your OP you asked for a subjective judgment on the worth of align-time vs tank. Responses established that using an AB for align time was garbage, and you established that removing a rig or cargo expander was not optional. So stick with the tank. However, since you want align time and cargo, how about you replace the DC for a reactor control and use the mwd ? I mean, if you're hauling trit, who cares how much ehp you have?

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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#22 - 2013-03-19 19:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
LOL OP Shocked

I have been guilty of flying hauling orcas, but it will have an MWD and just be a lot of low value crap. This was BEFORE I could fly freighters, and when Orcas had the awesome super-secret squirrel corp hangar array.

Now, my indy alts both fly freighters, and my orca is well... probably going to be sold. You might want to buy it as a spare.

Also, what exactly do you want? I think everyone's answered your questions and you've basically been like Tard the Grumpy cat on Facebook and sad, "NO!" to all good suggestions.

Basic facts about orcas:

-They hull tank really well

-They do not have lows, mids, or natural buffer to tank any other way

-They are really slow on align time and that speed can be dramatically increased to where you don't spend all your EVE time slowboating an industrial around high sec AFK (use the MWD trick, please)

-People tend to use them in very silly, fail ways that make them primary targets for griefer corps, their wardecs, and goons during Hulkageddon

Big smile

[Hint]
When all of EVE is telling you to do/not do something and you do not take that advice, you are either a complete genius or a complete fail moron whose corpse will soon be in many people's lockers. Do I need to tell you which one you are being based on the facts above?
Skorpynekomimi
#23 - 2013-03-19 20:07:38 UTC
One forum is not all of eve, and there are specific reasons why I use an orca to short-haul stuff about. Hauling is not a career for the thing, it's a means to an end, and the best way to haul 100-200mil of cargo around without dicking around with courier contracts. And it allows lowsec pickups with a blockade runner in the ship bay.

[Orca, Shamu (MWD)]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I

I figure the PDU gives more buffer than the RCU.

Economic PVP
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-03-20 10:01:12 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
One forum is not all of eve, and there are specific reasons why I use an orca to short-haul stuff about. Hauling is not a career for the thing, it's a means to an end, and the best way to haul 100-200mil of cargo around without dicking around with courier contracts. And it allows lowsec pickups with a blockade runner in the ship bay.

[Orca, Shamu (MWD)]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I

I figure the PDU gives more buffer than the RCU.


Make a note, though: that fit requires a powergrid implant. No amount of skill training will give you enough powergrid to fly it on a blank clone. (A Caldari Navy PDS gives you enough powergrid, but is it worth it at 25 million?)

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#25 - 2013-03-20 14:47:03 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Kodama Ikari wrote:
no ones gonna gank your orca for a bunch of tritanium


No... they'll gank it for tears though... especially if it's shitfit.

If you have DCU, you'll be much less a target unless you carry a bunch of expensive stuff in it (like ~1b worth).

If you are looking for EHP.... drop the LSE and put on an IF.... you'll get more EHP and you can OH it for even more.
Alternatively, you could fit an XL-ASB.... but you're probably better off with the IF.

You only want the MWD if you are using it to move goods over many jumps and wish to reduce your align times... It'll drop your align time from 35-45 seconds down to 10 s.



I have a couple of questions, what is IF and OH?

In regards to the reinforced bulkheads, I installed some last night but I didn't see anything about losing cargo space, only velocity, is loss of cargo from T2 bulkheads? Evelopedia is no help.

This is my fit from memory, I have these for defensive equipment and I get a tad over 202k EHP, everything else is mining related. I'm open to suggestions, advice, and critiques.

Low - Damage Control 2
Low - Local hull conv, reinf bulkheads 1

Mids - Therm, Kinetic, Explosive hardeners

Rig - EM shield rig
Rig - Polycarbon Engine Housing
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-03-20 15:45:07 UTC
The cargo loss comes from pulling an Expanded Cargohold out of a low slot to fit the Reinforced Bulkhead module.

IF = Invulnerability Field. OH = overheat (using Thermodynamics skill).

My personal tank setup, in addition to Tech II Damage Control and Tech II Reinforced Bulkheads, is a pair of Tech II Invulnerability Fields and a single EM Ward Field, giving decent all-around resists (improved by overheating). However, your shield is less than half of your total tank.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Empyrean Enterprise Conglomerate
#27 - 2013-03-20 15:58:28 UTC
Ah, I haven't given much thought to cargo expanders but since I'm in HS it might be worthwhile.

Do two IF's (using my new knowledge Big smile )give better results than three damage-type specific hardeners or is the benefit more from saving a slot?
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-03-20 16:33:48 UTC
IF's give you that overall boost to all your shield resistances, where as the specific hardeners leave damage type holes. The most common way to fit the orca is to patch the 0% EM shield resist with a EM hardener, and then throwing on 2 IF's to raise all your shield resistances up. It leaves a bit of a thermal hole, but the overall values of your shield resists is pretty decent. Overall I think this setup gives the best overall EHP across all resists.
Skorpynekomimi
#29 - 2013-03-20 17:14:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Skorpynekomimi
Marc Callan wrote:
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
One forum is not all of eve, and there are specific reasons why I use an orca to short-haul stuff about. Hauling is not a career for the thing, it's a means to an end, and the best way to haul 100-200mil of cargo around without dicking around with courier contracts. And it allows lowsec pickups with a blockade runner in the ship bay.

[Orca, Shamu (MWD)]
Damage Control II
Power Diagnostic System II

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I

Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I

I figure the PDU gives more buffer than the RCU.


Make a note, though: that fit requires a powergrid implant. No amount of skill training will give you enough powergrid to fly it on a blank clone. (A Caldari Navy PDS gives you enough powergrid, but is it worth it at 25 million?)


Not other than the Genolutions I already have installed. I don't know about blank clones, though, but I can toss the RCU on if I'm between jumps.

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