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Orca: LSE or AB?
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Skorpynekomimi
#1 - 2013-03-18 18:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Skorpynekomimi
I fly an Orca. However, I'm sick of slow align times, and the LSE2 only gives 20k EHP with all the resists running. Would the reduced time aligning and slowboating to stations make up for it, or am I better off sticking with the tank?

(And no, no gang links; this is a travel/haulage fit rather than a boosting/mining fit. I prefer to have a tractor and salvagers to take advantage of wrecks.)

[Orca, Shamu (LSE2)]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I

OR:

[Orca, Shamu (AB)]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II

EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I

Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I
Salvager I

Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I

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Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-03-18 18:16:39 UTC
For quick align MWD is what you want

Just pulse it once while you allign and when it shuts off you should go into warp.

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Skorpynekomimi
#3 - 2013-03-18 18:23:32 UTC
Don't have the PG for a mwd, though.

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Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-03-18 18:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tasiv Deka
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Don't have the PG for a mwd, though.


then (and no one seems to want to do this) sacrifice a cargo rig for a powergrid rig yes you may lose some space but it speeds up the overall trip.

EDIT: also Reinforced bulkhead and Damage control in the low really adds some good EHP

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Skorpynekomimi
#5 - 2013-03-18 18:35:43 UTC
DC2 is in there already. Reinforced Bulkheads would cut down on cargo space, though. I NEED that space more than I need the EHP, out here.

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Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-03-18 18:38:38 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
DC2 is in there already. Reinforced Bulkheads would cut down on cargo space, though. I NEED that space more than I need the EHP, out here.


If you need cargo space that bad then why not a freighter (or just hire red frog)

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Skorpynekomimi
#7 - 2013-03-18 18:40:51 UTC
Tasiv Deka wrote:
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
DC2 is in there already. Reinforced Bulkheads would cut down on cargo space, though. I NEED that space more than I need the EHP, out here.


If you need cargo space that bad then why not a freighter (or just hire red frog)


Because margins and capital and training time. The cargohold expansion is a few million trit of space.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-03-18 20:11:47 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Tasiv Deka wrote:
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
DC2 is in there already. Reinforced Bulkheads would cut down on cargo space, though. I NEED that space more than I need the EHP, out here.


If you need cargo space that bad then why not a freighter (or just hire red frog)


Because margins and capital and training time. The cargohold expansion is a few million trit of space.


Well we don't know your margains and capital and training time, nor do we know what you consider a good trade off is. You want the 100m afterburner then put it on, but you've obviously made up your mind about what you want to do.

You've already shaved off 20% of your survivability when you put on the cargo expander II and those rigs, I don't see a reason not to shave off another ~10k of EHP by replacing the shield extender also.
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#9 - 2013-03-18 20:56:15 UTC
no ones gonna gank your orca for a bunch of tritanium

Some first-hand PI tips
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#10 - 2013-03-18 21:22:45 UTC
Kodama Ikari wrote:
no ones gonna gank your orca for a bunch of tritanium


No... they'll gank it for tears though... especially if it's shitfit.

If you have DCU, you'll be much less a target unless you carry a bunch of expensive stuff in it (like ~1b worth).

If you are looking for EHP.... drop the LSE and put on an IF.... you'll get more EHP and you can OH it for even more.
Alternatively, you could fit an XL-ASB.... but you're probably better off with the IF.

You only want the MWD if you are using it to move goods over many jumps and wish to reduce your align times... It'll drop your align time from 35-45 seconds down to 10 s.
Namdor
#11 - 2013-03-18 22:05:08 UTC
"Hey guys, what should I do?"
"You should do this."
"No, I don't want to do that."
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#12 - 2013-03-18 23:47:28 UTC
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Don't have the PG for a mwd, though.

Implant is an easy fix for that.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#13 - 2013-03-19 00:03:41 UTC
Goldiiee wrote:
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Don't have the PG for a mwd, though.

Implant is an easy fix for that.


Genolutions and 1% grid implant to be specific
Jovat
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-19 01:51:32 UTC
Seriously, dump a cargo rig for a PG rig. 10 second align is worth it. Train freighters for larger, low value cargo. Orca's are made for mid value, medium size loads and they can go a hell of a lot faster than a freighter.

Not sure I'd ever take my DC2 and bulkheads off.

Actually, nevermind. Replace everything with cargo expanders, and ignore the 30 second align. This has nothing to do with wanting to make sure people have a source of tears that causes them to ignore me for not being in a crappy fit.
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-03-19 02:03:24 UTC
Jovat wrote:
Seriously, dump a cargo rig for a PG rig. 10 second align is worth it. Train freighters for larger, low value cargo. Orca's are made for mid value, medium size loads and they can go a hell of a lot faster than a freighter.

Not sure I'd ever take my DC2 and bulkheads off.

Actually, nevermind. Replace everything with cargo expanders, and ignore the 30 second align. This has nothing to do with wanting to make sure people have a source of tears that causes them to ignore me for not being in a crappy fit.



Dude i love you so much... almost as much as i hate cargo fit Orcas... seriously

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Mire Stoude
Bird Law LLP
Bird Law LLP Alliance
#16 - 2013-03-19 03:11:54 UTC
Yep, pg rig to fit a MWD. I love out pacing BSs and slow to warp BCs when moving stuff around.
Tub Chil
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-03-19 05:59:59 UTC
get your friends web you
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-03-19 16:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc Callan
Most of the Orca's tank is in its structure; Expanded Cargoholds bite deeply into that, and will mark you as a soft target to gankers. To my way of thinking, it's better to make two trips in a brick, as opposed to one trip in an eggshell.

Initially, I used a Damage Control and a Reactor Control in my Orca's lows to get the powergrid for a MWD; subsequently, I used the ACR rig for the powergrid, and now I routinely run with DC and reinforced bulkheads. I put in two Cargohold Optimizations, but their penalty is to armor, which the Orca doesn't have much of natively anyway, so the penalty is much smaller.

And even with the tanked hull, 65,000 85,000 m3 of cargo space (between the main hold and the fleet hangar) is nothing to be sneezed at.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Ginger Barbarella
#19 - 2013-03-19 17:19:29 UTC
Namdor wrote:
"Hey guys, what should I do?"
"You should do this."
"No, I don't want to do that."



This.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Skorpynekomimi
#20 - 2013-03-19 17:23:28 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Namdor wrote:
"Hey guys, what should I do?"
"You should do this."
"No, I don't want to do that."



This.


No, it's
'Should I do X or Y?'
"Do Z!"
'I can't do Z.'
"DO IT ANYWAY"

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