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New blog: All quiet on the EVE Launcher front?

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Ai Shun
#221 - 2013-03-16 21:06:36 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Some of us want to be very very careful of what can be data mined from the internet.


How do you avoid using search engines?
iskflakes
#222 - 2013-03-16 21:08:13 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Maybe i'm just a privacy freak and won't install software that takes information without my knowledge. Maybe if there was a way for us to track what's being taken.


CCP has said in the past they only take non-personally identifying information from your computer, e.g. computer specifications (graphics card, memory, processor, etc), computer name, operating system version, etc. This is probably done to let them work out what kind of hardware their customers have (no point in writing new graphics code that requires a graphics card 90% of users don't have), the data is probably also used to identify botters, though team security doesn't say anything obviously.

There is no way to monitor what is being sent so you'll have to take their word for it. If you don't like the idea that this information is being sent to CCP then don't play EVE :)

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Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#223 - 2013-03-16 21:27:38 UTC
just make a bloody capture of the network trafic with wireshark

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...

iskflakes
#224 - 2013-03-16 21:36:20 UTC
Wodensun wrote:
just make a bloody capture of the network trafic with wireshark


It's against the EULA to decode the network traffic.. CCP already thought of that one :P

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#225 - 2013-03-16 22:27:36 UTC
Wodensun wrote:
just make a bloody capture of the network trafic with wireshark
…or just read the line in full and understand that no information is being shared anyway. Either way works.
Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
#226 - 2013-03-16 22:37:35 UTC
Haven't seen a single point as to why this should be enabled by default.

Either CCP presents a valid point on why I have to share my bandwidth or I'm just blocking it's peer to peer outgoing traffic. I really don't care about faster download ... it's fast enough as it is. If it's for cutting costs on the expense of bandwidth I paid for personal use, then it's a simple no.

The issues this "feature" raises versus the advantages this presents to the user are completely crap. All the technical aspect of the new launcher can be achieved without using P2P. P2P is just convenient as it allows to shave some costs of publishing the end product.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#227 - 2013-03-16 23:29:25 UTC
Stray Bullets wrote:
Either CCP presents a valid point on why I have to share my bandwidth or I'm just blocking it's peer to peer outgoing traffic. I really don't care about faster download ... it's fast enough as it is.
You don't have to.
That said, are you paying by the byte? How much of your upstream are you using? Why don't you want people to get their patches quicker?

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The issues this "feature" raises versus the advantages this presents to the user are completely crap.
What issues are that? People getting your IP? Big whoop — that's not an issue; it's just the internet.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#228 - 2013-03-17 00:05:17 UTC
Dizirgee wrote:
I'm for torrent launcher.
As for people that have ISP that shape/block torrent trafic well try to change your provider. I mean by giving them your money you support they policy and thus make them think that thats what people want, no torrent trafic...

I also like that you put there option to keep seeding after download cause as I'm not greedy leecher I may want to go for at least 1:1 ratio.
And what about full eve client installation ? If client launcher will be uploading only patch data how someone can download/install whole client? Will there be option like if I want to seed patch data only or whole client data?

edit: and yes torrent download should be ON by default (at least for patch data).



man you can't tell people to just change ISP's some people live in areas where there is only one available to them, not only that, what if the one they are with is very stable but does not allow torrent traffic and they are happy to keep them so they have a stable game playing enviroment.
i feel safe knowing the software i download from CCP's servers is secure and can be in no way changed before i allow it onto my machine.

CCP need to give people a choice on this one, mine is still with off on torrents and sticking with the way i like and trust.
Rammix
TheMurk
#229 - 2013-03-17 01:40:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rammix
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher??
Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse...

For example, I run 3 clients and for 2 of them I use my second monitor with different screen size/resolution, and lowered graphics.
So, sometimes you just have to copy eve client to use different settings.
Btw, in my case (on linux), I don't copy the client and don't update them separately. Instead, I linked 2nd folder to the first and thus updating 'main' client also updates the 2nd. For windows there also must be some way to link folders. I just don't remember.

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Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#230 - 2013-03-17 02:37:32 UTC
Rammix wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Am I the only one running several instances of eve from the same installation and launcher??
Or are we talking about running TQ and Sisi from the same launcher? I has confuse...

For example, I run 3 clients and for 2 of them I use my second monitor with different screen size/resolution, and lowered graphics.
So, sometimes you just have to copy eve client to use different settings.
Btw, in my case (on linux), I don't copy the client and don't update them separately. Instead, I linked 2nd folder to the first and thus updating 'main' client also updates the 2nd. For windows there also must be some way to link folders. I just don't remember.



Pretty much the same way. It's called Junctioning, with windows. uses mklink

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Multiple_clients#Method_1_-_Junctions

Works well.

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The Baby-sitter
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2013-03-17 06:41:26 UTC
I am glad that you guys take interest in improvements at CCP. It kinda also hacked me off when actual features that aims to improved are simply ignored. CCP can give us Go/No-Go on suggestions.

Several threads over time have been lodged for:

Idea Re-logging instead of Log-off and On. Such as this
Idea Monitor selection to avoid the settings menu click-fest, like this

Stray Bullets
Perkone
Caldari State
#232 - 2013-03-17 09:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Stray Bullets
Tippia wrote:
Stray Bullets wrote:
Either CCP presents a valid point on why I have to share my bandwidth or I'm just blocking it's peer to peer outgoing traffic. I really don't care about faster download ... it's fast enough as it is.
You don't have to.
That said, are you paying by the byte? How much of your upstream are you using? Why don't you want people to get their patches quicker?

Quote:
The issues this "feature" raises versus the advantages this presents to the user are completely crap.
What issues are that? People getting your IP? Big whoop — that's not an issue; it's just the internet.


It's irrelevant if I'm paying by the bit, byte, megabyte, gigabyte. The point is, I'm paying for it. Is there any upside to this besides CCP getting it's distribution costs shaved off a bit?

I see no upside for me, the customer. They say better speed. I've never complained about the speed. It was never awesome, but it was never terrible.

So if their bandwidth is actually enough, why add the BT? It's not the technical part. You can have a distribution like the one they mentioned (only synchronizing the files that were changed) without BT. Hell, what they are basically doing is a SVN for the compiled files and wrapping it in a neat package for the customer.

I really don't need to argue on why I should allow my connection to be used. They should argue on how it's beneficial for me to allow it to be used. I only see a cost reduction for them with nothing relevant for me.

It's a win-win, for them. For me ... I just end up serving CCP and getting the same product in the end.

It's very similar to the "tests" and "mass tests" people do. You're working for CCP, shaving off the costs of the QA department and getting the same end product in the end. Sure, it's got some bugs worked out, but that's not my responsibility. I'm not a CCP employee. I get the same end product either I partake in the tests or not. I get the same end product if I allow the BT or not.

It's plain stupid to try to force it on the customer. Put some benefit to it and give the customer the option to "opt in". If it's good, people will use it.
Revenald Blackthorne
S.I.D.H.E. Corporation LLIC
#233 - 2013-03-17 09:53:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Revenald Blackthorne
Why don't you guys do something ground-breaking, game-changing before Steam (or Bungie) launch it? Being able to play EVE without "installation" and download waiting times, or on a tablet or smartphone with gesture virtualization? No downloads of updates required, ever? Shave your download/upload costs on app delivery by 95%? Shave MY download/upload costs by 95%?

Here's a win-win:

http://vimeo.com/numecent/review/50801144/4d16521791
Tribe O' Brute
Lightning Strikes Thrice
#234 - 2013-03-17 10:22:57 UTC
@CCP: My concern lies with Steam. Let there be user choice to use Steam (as it is now). If Steam becomes the only option for distributing EVE, I have to say EVE goodbye. I don't like to have their spyware on my PC and I don't like them controlling what I can and can't do with my software. I'm not a hacker or cheater but I know of reports of users tweaking one game and losing all the games they ever bought through steam.
Tribe O' Brute
Lightning Strikes Thrice
#235 - 2013-03-17 10:28:30 UTC
Revenald Blackthorne wrote:
Why don't you guys do something ground-breaking, game-changing before Steam (or Bungie) launch it? Being able to play EVE without "installation" and download waiting times, or on a tablet or smartphone with gesture virtualization? No downloads of updates required, ever? Shave your download/upload costs on app delivery by 95%? Shave MY download/upload costs by 95%?

Here's a win-win:

http://vimeo.com/numecent/review/50801144/4d16521791



This doesn't really work well for CCP for 2 reasons.

1) Long term data transfer would go up because of video transfer vs dry game data.
2) CCP has to pay for the game hardware. Calculations have to be made somewhere.
Revenald Blackthorne
S.I.D.H.E. Corporation LLIC
#236 - 2013-03-17 11:25:30 UTC
Tribe O' Brute wrote:
Revenald Blackthorne wrote:



This doesn't really work well for CCP for 2 reasons.

1) Long term data transfer would go up because of video transfer vs dry game data.
2) CCP has to pay for the game hardware. Calculations have to be made somewhere.


1) You are making the forgivable mistake of thinking this is streaming. It isn't, hard as it may be to believe. Hence, an immense data transfer decrease (up to 95%). Your data is stored locally, and the app is run as if local, despite being parsed from the Cloud.
Hence, the words "game changing" (pardon the pun)
2) This is a software solution. In fact, no hardware need be purchased at all. Additional in fact, because no streaming is involved, hardware utilization is 10x as effective.
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#237 - 2013-03-17 20:37:12 UTC
Thank you CCP, I will be requesting a refund for my subscriptions. You know why? My college campus blocks ALL torrent packets unless they are encrypted(so their ****** filter system cannot detect them). So seeing how I won't be able to update...I believe I won't be able to play. I also don't think mine is the only campus with ridiculous filtering systems. They don't care if it's legitimate files or not, the entire protocol is filtered. Even IRC is filtered out.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#238 - 2013-03-17 21:07:03 UTC
Haven't experienced a single problem since you revamped the launcher. Wonder what other people are doing to cause these issues. Anyway, better investigate the validity of their complaints before making changes. Humans, their hardware and their software are more fallible then your launcher so don't try and fix what ain't broken.

Cheers,

Radius

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#239 - 2013-03-18 01:56:36 UTC
Sierra Mackenzie wrote:
So glad you're dedicating programming time to improving the launcher than improving the actual game. Instead of improving the experience for existing players, they're improving it to draw in new players. Why else would they need to improve Steam integration?

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Edit: Also, all of the tinfoil hat wearers in this thread crack me up. Oh noes, BitTorrent is going to eat my computer and malicious users are going to have my IP! Whatever shall I do!?


Hard to enjoy the game when it won't load because the launcher needs fixing.

I know, we should stop funding schooling because there are people in Africa that have no food. /sarc

There are priorities, but you can't just stop everything to work on one issue, that's why you have several teams working on different issues.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#240 - 2013-03-18 01:58:23 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
I don't wish to share my details nor my network.

give us an off button in the options of the launcher for torrents i will not be allowing uploads from my network.

I'll stick with the HTML download I've always used thanks.


You still upload. If you're using TCP, you're uploading. Best you learn how the Internet works.