Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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I don't know what you're talking about, I'd be totally running Salvager Dread while blapping. Pro-PVP and ISK making!

I think we need more Utility High slot options honestly. That's another discussion for another day though...

Neut/Nos/Salvager/Auto-Target Module as the only options are a bit lackluster.

WTB more variety in the Utility High Slots!

I understand, just it's easier to say the resource cost just isn't economically viable.

To be honest I like the change you've made- the only issue would be someone wanting to split fire but in a dread I don't see anyone with a brain ever doing that.

Can yo9 edit your first post also to reflect that the change will drop a high? for a while I was getting all excited over 3 utility highs.

Thanks, and you are doing god's work, son.

With regard to the frigate changes:

The Tormentor stats are appealing. Its a good ship; basically a slower rifter with a drone bay. After this, it should be a good matchup for the Tristan, and better able to deal with even some faction frigates like hookbills.

Punisher getting a small cap regen bonus at the expense of cap amount puzzles me, and feels like a change "just to change things". It still suffers from its poor speed, but post-round1 changes, it is much, much better than it was.

Tristan is fine. Why does it need more velocity and less mass? Its already probably the best stand-and-fight frigate, overall, in the T1 lineup. Solid tank, fitting, and generous drone bay. Why does it need to be faster? What does a droneboat have to chase down, exactly?

The Kestrel, Rifter, and Breacher changes just make me ask "what"? Why? is there an outcry regarding their armor and hull amounts? More armor is better than nothing, I guess, just not sure what purpose these changes have? A speed bonus, especially given the prevalence of Condors at the moment, if you intend to leave them as is (see below) would make more sense to me.

Also, seriously? Youre leaving the condor alone? Seriously? They are far, far more aggravating - and common - than Dramiels ever were.

Once again, these changes feel like theyre being implemented just so changes can be implemented.

Confirming you are lying. The resist profile are practically the same, and in fact the Moros has a slightly better profile. Why? Well. Higher kinetic resistance because - guess what - ANTI MOROS.

In addition, if you really wanted to sacrifice a tank mod, it would the Moros. Why? Because with the massively superior damage and tracking at any given range (yes, ANY) the chances of finishing your job in one siege cycle less are much much better anyway, while the Revelation is more likely to derp around for extended periods. Also you are assuming a case where you are never being shot or neuted at. Pretty weak to use the "I can gtfo if nobody looks at me" argument here.

The only 3 advantages the Revelation has are:

It's pretty.
It's not as crappy as the Nag or Phoenix at the moment.
It does not use much ammo.

And these are not worth sacrificing much needed tracking and a whopping 60% damage at point black, and 25-30% damage at any comparable optimal/falloff over the Revelation.

But I have trust in Fozzies infinite wisdom - Moros will probably receive a significant nerf. Hopefully in terms of optimal range, since that's what the Blasters downside should be.

Sieged Phoenix vs a Moros at 60km the Phoenix will win every time, unless the pilot is an idiot.

edit: unless you are saying it's superior va the rev only

Sorry, it wasn't the resist profile, it was the slot count that made the difference. I was wrong. 7 lows on the Moros, 8 on the Rev. Allowing you to fit either additional tank or a CPR, which is a better increase in cap recharge than the mid-slot cap recharger alternative. Coupled with the 10%/level ship bonus to cap recharge, the Rev comes out of siege at around jump cap, while the Moros has to take time to cap up.

And, let's be honest, most structure grinds you don't have to worry about external cap drain, and usually want to jump/warp out sooner than later once siege ends.

Also, Revelation has a 40% advantage over the Moros in optimal range. It is slightly tempered by the 18% decrease in falloff, but that is a rather impressive range advantage.



The Phoenix is superior, unless the target is moving. Phoenix can't even get full damage on a siege-coasting dread.

this just leaves the phoenix as the only pure and utter **** dread

There's a funny thing about citadel missiles and the GMP changes - Fozzie was insistent that GMP would apply to subcapital missiles only - "Change the Guided Missile Precision skill, as well as all associated implants and rigs to affect all subcap missiles". But something may have gone wrong; when I checked last month, GMP and Rigours were affecting citadel missiles on the test server, giving citadel torps/cruise explosion radii of 1500 m and 1313 m - even EFT agrees too!

I didn't check TQ because I wasn't going to waste money on a Phoenix though - even with GMP affecting them, they're still pointless.

I'm not sure why this took three ******* pages, but is the Naglfar going to compensate in the fact that it only needs to fit two guns to deal almost as much damage as the Moros and more damage than the Revelation do with three? Cost / efficiency is skewed here. One gun less to fit and 33% less ammo to use, it seems unfair.

Unless CCP applies the same principle to other 3 dreads it's not going to be a good idea.
Because capital projectile turrets don't need capacitor and can do any type damage I sense Naglfar is going to be OP (no, I don't want it to stay sucky, just balanced...same goes for Phoenix).