Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i cant be the only person who thought of how high the volley on these nags would be with arty...

About the same volley as a phoenix but from a much farther distance...

You could use these things as anti slow cats for sure if you got far enough away....imagine like 20 of these things cynoing in 100km away from a slowcat fleet... you would only need 5 or 6 of em to volley a carrier.

so something like 4 carriers getting popped every 15 secs :D even 2 would be pretty cool

Its still terrible.

I don't see how that works in 1 vs 1 when your opponent knows what he is doing.
Comparing your fits to what we have on live, you are slower, have more armor, you are not using ambits and I still see that fit at the bottom of the food chain.

Honestly, great if that works for you, I can see the first fit in a frigate fleet roaming low-sec hiding between other ships that are way more useful than you. I personally don't like it, to each their own.

I didn't even know that Punishers are considered bad at 1v1...I always thought it was me being bad at eve.
With its monstrous > 9k EHP buffer tank I think the Punisher is a very forgiving frigate even in 1v1, that usually wins by outlasting the enemy instead of outgunning him (though AAR Incursuses are very tough opponents now).
If you increase the tracking of small long range weapons (especially a reduction in the tracking malus of t2 long range ammo) many new interesting setups would be viable, and beam Punishers would be useful even outside small gangs or fleets.

Speaking as an almost exclusively Minmatar pilot, I still feel very strongly that the Slasher should receive a falloff bonus rather than a tracking bonus. This would put it more in line with its "fast attack" counterparts in the cruiser and battlecruiser sizes; the Stabber and Tornado both also receive falloff bonuses. Wouldn't it make sense for players to progress down a line of specialty if they so choose? In this case, "fast attack" players could go from frig --> cruiser --> battlecruiser. In general, falloff-bonused ships using autocannons and Barrage are the primary way in which Minmatar pilots can kite; artillery doesn't track well enough for a fast-moving kite frigate to make do with, tracking bonus or no.

Objection!

That's not light missle electronic kiters (hookbill, condor) strong, that's majority of frig pilots are lost in AB faggotry.
Btw they are being encouraged to be AB faggots by current mechanics done by you, CCP, like static warp-in in FW complexes.

Slow AB stuff with shortrange guns is dead once kited.
Papertanked kiters are dead once being cought.
It is already perfect balance here, you just must choose your side.

Kiting is way more complcated than catching kiters. (You need only technical stuff: proper fit, overload and approach button for catching, while kiting require skill, sometimes extraordinaire one).

I'd much appreciate if I see more strong kiters and less AB stuff in future. Believe me, Kiter vs catcher competition is way better than "whose butt is thicker" comptetition (didn't want to insult any americans).

Pilots who choose AB for better performance in scram range MUST SUFFER consequences of their choice.

I know that most of CCP guys don't fly pvp much, especially frig pvp, but belive me - for 1 kited frag there are approx. 10 missed ones coz of successful swing orbit/insane tank/friends (kiting is slow pvp)/long-range guns or drones/dry capacitor/whatsoever... that's not activate mwd + guns + point + orbit 20.

Fair points, although I would say that fights at frig level have a different character than cruiser, bc and bs level. Particularly in a close orbiting brawl where tracking is a much better damage bonus than a more explicit one. As to killing quickly before the blob, that is something I would ascribe to gallante than minmatar. I'd thought minmatar style is more getting into their blind spot and exploiting their weaknesses.

Does that gank power not come from selectable damage, hitting them hard where it hurts the most. It doesn't seem so much on paper put can shave thousands of ehp of your opponents tank. It's not completely selectable but still rewarding when you get it right.

Ed. if I we were losing the tracking bonus, I'd rather have a falloff bonus than a rof bonus. Bear in mind that a rof bonus would eat into your overheat time, which is especially important in a frig, where you are usually overheated for all of the fight.

Ed2 frig guns can hit frigs, but with what quality? The damage from unbonused ac's can certainly be mitigated by a good close orbit. Remember those punisher's with 200mm auto cannons. You could get under those fairly easily and just take glancing blows. 150's were usually a better choice for the punisher.

Check their killboard and take a punt :)

The only mid fight switch I might do is changing to barrage or back. If i find myself with the wrong ammo loaded its better to persevere than waste 10 secs.



Ed the wolf needs an optimal bonus, but that's a topic for another thread

(Ccp Fozzie nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

my slowcat has 3.5m ehp...i don't know how you want to alpha it with 20 naglfars v0v

and it isn't even pimped out or with fleet bonuses....