Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about adding two turret slots for the Phoenix then as well as a corresponding bonus. That would solve the problem - for the time beeing - for Caldari players as well.
If somehow the launcher slots can't be used as turret slots, just give the one turret slot a 200%dmg bonus.
It realy sucks how the Phoenix can't hit anything that moves just a tiny bit and this change would help.

I think you need to tell us about what else you're doing that will make rifters and punishers less bad and make LML kiting ships more bad.
Also just letting you know that in addition to medium beam laser spec 5, I also have small beam laser spec 5. I'm still yet to use it on a frigate.

Only if you ignore the bit about Caldari's "racial flavour" of general electronic superiority, although lol scan resolution. As it is, Gallente come second in sensor strengths.

I'd like to make a post dedicated to the punisher.

The rifter is **** too but i largely don't care about it, as it stands now its trying to do the same thing as all the other minni frigs which is uninteresting as ****. I love the puni hull though and i can't stand it being so bad.


Problem 1.
It has 2 mids... There are just no ways of making the punisher anything other than terrible while it has 2 mids (this problem is compounded by the fact that lasers also have terrible tracking so if you have an AB you can kill a punisher pretty much without getting shot)
Problem 2.
It has terrible, TERRIBLE dps. Seriously i don't know how this became like this, i think maybe lasers were always overestimated because of the damage a slicer can deal to 20 with scorch or something. i don't know. A Punisher with a heatsink and SFPL's does what.. 144 dps? Thats less than my railgun Incursus at about 1/3rd of the range...
Problem 3.
Ohh but it has such good tank. No it doesn't. If you go for a 200 + saar + dcu + hs you get about 5400 ehp and a decent amount of ehp/s from the rep. Compare it to the Incursus? It has about 800 less EHP but instead it reps more, and has what.. 40% more dps? AND THREE MIDS. Any ship that fights the punisher can more or less just leave whenever the hell it wants.

maybe you should fit a heat sink... given that SFPLs are lasers? :P

other than that i dont know. but giving 3 mids to every frig is boring. i'd rather have CCP making the utility high worth something. atm there just a joke on amarr ships. i have the feeling this should be adressed. nos would be actually pretty sweet on amarr ships as they tend to have low cap-levels during fights. maybe they should be looked at?

Can we get some insight as to why you feel +50 armour and plus +1 pg will make the rifter a viable ship? I don't think I'm alone when I say, "I don't get it". There are good PvP niches for almost all the other frigates; even the lowly punisher can shine in certain situations. But the rifter is just lost.

Am I the only person in this thread who thinks the Tristan, Breacher, and Kestrel are already borderline OP?

name one good thing about the tristan except its good looks (you can't)

To be honest Fozzie, the Rifter feels like a slower beefier Slasher, now the Rifter unlike the other Frigates such as the Merlin, Punisher and Incursus which have tank bonuses, the Rifter has a double gun bonus for damage and tracking, I feel to give the Rifter any sort of flavour is to either change the Tracking bonus to a Rate of Fire bonus giving it a double damage buff, which will set it apart from the Slasher, or repurpose the Rifters weapon setup and give it a Projectile Turret Damage Bonus and a Launcher Rate of Fire Bonus and turn it into a Split Weapon system boat, this would give it a serious amount of uniqueness.

I don't know about anyone else but this is what I think.

EDIT: by the way +50 armour and +1 PG, thank you, now armour is just as viable as shields! (I like both armour and shield ships)

Doesn't that apply to many ships, excluding the chubby ones ?