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Or you're jumping to assumptions about things I do and don't know, but hey, you just want to jump to conclusions about what I think because of my corp tag despite most of my posts saying otherwise. I'm just saying your reasons are full of it as there are plenty of approved programs that do what you describe, to the extent you describe.

IOK you are definitely a troll since this never happened, CCP stonewalled him on the explanation until Sreegs replied.

ITT: People hating on Liang because a) they are ******** and don't actually read his posts or b) just because



On a more serious note, he wasn't just reading the cache, he was using automation to update market orders. That much was obvious from Kelduum's original post, and confirmed by CCP Sreegs.
Reading the cache would not have gotten him banned, as everyone who uses EVEMon without modifying a certain setting also does.

Paragraph 15 in Kelduum's OP on Eve-University Forums states this:



That is your formal notification.

-Liang

Tough call on this one. I hate botters but I hate arrogant people who abuse their authority too.

I'd REALLY like to see John in action before I made a call one way or another. Sreegs seems to be saying that Sreegs gets to define what a botter is and by Sreegs' definition, John is a botter, therefore John is a botter. Color me unconvinced.

Maybe they should implement a 15 second cooldown between changing (different) market orders.

The difference here being

"Press button, program automates client to dispense ship."
-and-
"Press button, human sees table 7 won a ship, brings the ship over to table 7"

The former is a program running off the results of rolled dice, the latter being people playing the game according to the way dice rolled.

This thread is busy enough without people bringing their fantasy worlds into it.

"He then goes on to attack the CCP security team and attempts to drag their names through the mud"
Kelduum had legitimate concerns over the behavior of the security team due to how they handled this situation. The method of this ISK confiscation cast suspicion on its legitimacy and their communcation with Kelduum served to reinforce this suspiction rather than allay it.

"ranting about how CCP has unfairly treated E-Uni over the years "
I assume you're talking about his post about how E-Uni has been harmed by changes to the game more than helped. This wasn't a rant. It was in response to suggestions that E-Uni gets special treatment. Kelduum doesn't believe E-Uni should be treated specially, and this "rant" of his was simply a way of pointing out that it most certainly doesn't.

"while attempting to make it look like "john" has been a victim of wrongfull punishment"
Aside from his expression of incredulity over "John" intentionally violating the rules for gain as a result of his personal familiarity with the individual, Kelduum really hasn't commented in any significant way over the legitimacy or not of "John's" activities.

That is what Sreegs is saying. Because, well, that's how it works.

CCP Sreegs would like to disagree on the reading of cache, while not a bannable offence or botting, he's of the opinion that it's against the EULA, despite it being common practice and used by many 3rd party tools. I disagree with his statement but at the end of the day he's head of Team Security.

CCP Sreegs wrote:

In my opinion cache scraping is illegal. You won't be banned for it today. I didn't see any questions asked what I saw was insults and accusations. Sorry if you have a different interpretation of polite social discourse.

Edited because I didn't realise you could turn a quote into a link

This why the defenders look like idiots.

Im sorry and I really dont mean to offend but you all sound so disingenuous when you say **** like this.

Its almost comical at this point.