Ships & Modules

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I thought this thread was dead, w/e

Im curious to how you all want to fit your 1400 arti vargurs,
That tachy paly always makes me cringe a little but then i laugh, its insane.
i love it, really.
The op's tach paly fitting
[Paladin, New Setup 1]
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Dark Blood Heat Sink
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Domination Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script

Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Large Energy Transfer Array
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

heres the comparable vargur fitting
[Vargur, Vargur fit]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Reactor Control Unit II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
Small Tractor Beam II
Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Large Ancillary Current Router II
Large Ancillary Current Router I

the tracking for the 1400 is 0.00069 worse then the palys tachs
no implants are used for either fittings.

Vargur
10391 volley 627 dps @33x66 , 94,339 ehp (16063 shield) scan res 170

Paladin (from op)
5670 Volley 849 dps @43x41 , 81,546 ehp (14138 shield) scan res 243

Sttill dont know why youd fit a ship like that

Oh, also, To fit a comparable tank to a xl shield boosted 1400 arti vargur, on a tachy paladin youd need a bunch of fitting mods. two LAR and the requisite cap boosters do not fit easy .

For a 620 shield tank which the vargur can do with 1400 and an ab, it takes three rcu and a grid rig,
for a 651 armor tank which the paladin can do with tacheyons and an ab it takes two RCU and a grid rig.

the vargur using one large cap booster, ab, xl-sb II
with the paladin using one large and one medium, Ab . 2x LAR II

the vargur gets a tiny bit more scan res but looses out on dps to the paladin by 20 points, while more then doubling the volley.

the kronos on the other hand is a lot simpler to fit then either vargur or paladin. and can get numbers similar in performance with a single rig.

kronos one large cap booster , 425 rails, ab, 2x lar II

this was a good diversion from what i was supposed to be doing

"You never ever Fit a Vargur like that,"

Of course you don't it is god damn misery to look at.

Also Pali fit is bad if you fly one fly armor,but it can be done and it served the purpose of fitting all guns and all needed tank to survive certain things before reps get you nothing else.

You guys really made me wanna buy and undock Vargur now :)

Ok, sorry for crushing the party, I will see myself to the door.

I dont get it, why is it ok that a Marauder is underperforming Pirate BS in PvE?

Whats the reason then for spend time skilling Marauder if they are anyway loosing against Pirate BS?

maybe im just stupid, but i tought its so

Example Minmatar:

Typhoon, Tempest, Maelstrom < Fleet Tempest, Typhoon < Machariel < Vargur

so should it be i tought. whats the reason to skill Tech 2 Ships if they are loosing agains Tech 1 Ship even if they are Faction?

Is Loki or Tengu underperforming Faction Cruiser or the other T2 Cruiser? i dont think so.

Maybe I should train Marauders 5 on Liang... >:-)

-Liang

I was first going to say that the skill differences are negligible, since the getting the lvl 5 battleship skill is very important for the faction BS as well, but pirate BS are so easy on fittings, if you just train for pirate BS you may not train AWU 5 or EGU 5. Regardless, t2 ships require lvl 5 support skills and lvl 5 ship skill. Faction/Pirate ships never require 5's. That's just how it is. That said, the guy in the pirate cruiser/bs is still missing out if he doesn't have good skills.


No one ever gave up training minmatar cruiser 5 because they could fly the cynabal without it. It doesn't matter that a pirate ship beats a t2 ship, it doesn't make the t2 ship not useful. This maybe hard to see from a max-pimp max-performance Its-never-gonna-explode-anyway PVE environment. It doesn't really matter if pirate BS are better 9 out of 10 times than the marauders, because the pirate BS are practically a fixed supply, with the price skyrocketing if the current meta game favors them. The lower sp threshold and superior performance come at a price. Specifically, 450m extra.


You're saying that the marauders should be better than pirate BS because they're t2, and justyfing it with "t3 perform better than pirate and t2" This is a nonsense comparison and you know it.

I don't mind. I don't have a whole hell of a lot left to train on subcaps. Besides, Marauders >> Faction BS in WHs. At least, for lower class ones, I don't know much about high class wormholes.

-Liang

I really like Marauders for wormhole work. Sure, it's a shiny but it's got the utility highs without sacrificing DPS.

-Liang

Ed: They're also pretty baller in pirate nullsec missions and level 5s.