EVE General Discussion

I could write a series of books sighting examples that prove this to be completetly and totally untrue, starting with every major alliance in power today which where all small fish that claimed their stakes from big fish.

Your a small fish until your a big fish.. what you are doing is effectively proclaiming that its impossible to beat the big fish, despite the fact that every big fish in the game has already been beaten by a small fish with no exceptions at some point in time and has been themselves a small fish facing big fish at some poitn in time. Every advantage you "think" they have is in your mind and is not a reality.

The only thing keeping big alliances in power today is their reluctance to fight. The moment a small fishe rises to the challenge of taking down one of the big fish.. the big fish extends their hand and welcomes them to the blue circle jerk club. This and only this is the reason why large blocs exist unchallenged today, its not because people can't challenge them, its that there is zero reason to. Whats the point of waging months of war, spending hundreds of hours and billions of ISK to claim SOV from someone when the person who controls wants to blue up with you and give you access to it without a fight.

This isn't just happening in SOV alliances either, its happening in low sec as well. Everytime my crew moves in on someones territory suddenly I get "lets be friends" emails from all the major pirate corps in the area and when its all done their is no longer any reason to actually be there except the occassion chump that strolls in through the gate at the wrong time.

Eve needs less Mittani's and more Montolio's..

i dont think you are but i ´ve been called many things, including wrong.

one of the reasons i am not buying the argument "everyone can do what they did" and think its total BS.

how long since theres basically four colors on the eve sov map ? lets make it three.
HBC, CFC and the red stuff.


how many major changes happened ?

numbers will always beat skill, some recent wars have very much shown and proved that. its a shame but its a fact. i strongly beleive that as a small corp / alliance you can seriously bugger those large powerblocks, but really "challenge" them ? c´mon, lets be honest about that. how do you challenge soemthing with several 250 men fleets ?

i mean its not even possible (with the current mechanics as they are) to stand up against the worst pvp-fleets in existence if they have more numbers and use hotdrops in any situation possible,. sure you can adapt and evade, win the occasional battle and / or even kick their asses once in a while, but really beat them ??
put that in larger context and you have the current sov problematic we are discussing.

whith the current very constructive advices listed here, the only option i see is the following:
a: earn a gazillion isk by doing boring stuff, all the while networking the **** ou of the ingame and out-of-game channels and recruit (why they would join at this point does elude me somehow though), and then go to war and "take whats rightfully yours"

option b:
give up about the idea of ever having sov for a prolonged time without having to kiss asses, blue everyone / someone larger (selling out)


because option c: start small, annoy and fight and get momentum as you do
is just not possible. i have yet to experience a fleet op in CFC (in my short but memorable time in there) where of 200-400 pilots logged in, about 140-200 people simply do something else once they learn that the opponent for the day is a small, 50 man corp with some POS´s and TCU´s.

if that ever happens, write me a mail please

You know, it's not entirely correct. The thing is that this problem has sort of evolved over time and is still constantly evolving...for the worse. I can safely say that 3-4 years ago the situation was very different compared to today.

Or if I put it another way: if nothing changes, as time goes on it will just keep getting even harder and harder for small entities to "claim a stake" by themselves. In fact the battle of Asakai more or less confirms this in that there were many who said that: "this battle hardly made a dent in the wallets".

This sort of hints of how bad the situation really is today compared to even a couple of years ago. And it ain't getting better.

Exactly. As an American I won't be butt-hurt over the fact that China is doing things better than we are, WE are the ones allowing it to happen with our individual and national choices. But many other people don't see it that way, they think "someone should fix this" rather than saying WE should do a better job of things.

People like the OP and "small alliances" are doing the same thing. Rather than those small alliances banding together to make big coalitions that can roflstop the Goons and Test or whoever , they want CCP to make up some artificial BS to give them an advantage.....

....Not understanding that any advantage that CCP tries to give will simply be exploited by the big boys. I suspect that why we don't see those "small holding" hidden player owned bases CCP used to talk about, because they know that rather than being some kind of access point for 0.0 solo players, it will just become another tool of control for the power blocks.

"I can be an *******. This is the internet."

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I mean, I agree with all your reasoning.

Just saying.

what may elude you right here that the answer you propose for the problems described becomes just part of the problem itself or rather is a part of it.

by becoming the next coalition of many many small alliances.. what do i have then ? exactly... a large power block. so thats what needed to overthrow the existing one ? interesting.. nothing new but interesting because ->

where did i say that i wanted that to happen ? but anyways back to the topic -> according to you thats what needed to gain a foothold in sov spacein the first place. so what you are actually saying, is that i am correct in my positon stating that for small alliances it is impossible and they don´t belong there.

what you propose is nothing more than a better wording for "HTFU" or "adapt or die" and thus completing the circle.

the overall question i dared to ask was: is it really impossible to gain sov for small alliances or am i mistaken and you perfectly validated my assumption. dude, you are the man.

Pretty much this.

Wormhole space.

-Liang

Of course sov space is an exclusive club.
It's supposed to be that way.
Don't like it? Fight, bargain, or pay your way into the club. Everyone else did.

Yes. Yes.