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Redistribution of SP's?

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-10-11 00:56:27 UTC
Something Kitty Mckitty said in another post got me thinking.... Yeah, yeah. I know. Don't think etc.....

Buuut, there's been a lot of talk over time, some for just plain old lols, about buying SP's etc. in game... Obviously buying SP's is akin to gold ammo imho and would be abused out of proportion. It's a pretty clear "no fn way!" from me.

I wonder though if the idea of redistribution of SP's has ever been discussed?

SP's to a player are a very valuable commodity, i..e. try buying a high SP char through the Bazaar.

Would it be in the games best interest to allow a redistribution of SP's for the individual every 30 days (for arguments sake). A little bit like attributes every 12 months but make it more much dynamic for players, specifically PvP'ers, FC's, alliance needs etc...

Would this be a suweeet option for you? Imagine, today I could fly HACS, tomorrow I could fly a Hulk (choke).....

- Would there be ramifications to Eve? If so, what would they be?
- Would you benefit from/enjoy such an option?

Box.....

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#2 - 2011-10-11 00:58:22 UTC
Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10

I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny.
mkint
#3 - 2011-10-11 00:59:26 UTC
Would only be acceptable if 50% of all redistributed skillpoints were permanently destroyed.

Otherwise I'd be able to buy a massive industry toon, turn it into a titan pilot, blow up your sov, turn it into an outpost building toon, build an outpost, then max it out to do whatever I want next. You'd have virtually infinite SP, and have no purpose to rely on anyone else for anything, ever again.

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Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#4 - 2011-10-11 01:01:58 UTC
Please stop posting.
Zirse
Risktech Analytics
#5 - 2011-10-11 01:02:28 UTC
Please stop posting.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-10-11 01:02:31 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10

I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny.

It ain't a troll and I really don't care for your tone. -50 internets for you!

I used to think FA dudes were kinda cool..... Recruit standards must have slipped.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
#7 - 2011-10-11 01:03:37 UTC
Zirse wrote:
Please stop posting.


please stop double posting
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-11 01:04:30 UTC
KrakizBad wrote:
Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10

I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny.


what do you expect from The Apostle?
Might as well expect a good thread from Mittani

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-11 01:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: The Apostle
mkint wrote:
Would only be acceptable if 50% of all redistributed skillpoints were permanently destroyed.

Otherwise I'd be able to buy a massive industry toon, turn it into a titan pilot, blow up your sov, turn it into an outpost building toon, build an outpost, then max it out to do whatever I want next. You'd have virtually infinite SP, and have no purpose to rely on anyone else for anything, ever again.

Hey dude, read my post, that would take ya 90 days. Lol

EDIT: In fact, you could buy 3 toons and do it all in one day...... I can see the headlines. LONE Titan pilot captures a slice of FA space and builds an outpost.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#10 - 2011-10-11 01:10:33 UTC
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Pointless, worthless troll thread. 0/10

I miss Tom Gerard, at least his rants were funny.


what do you expect from The Apostle?
Might as well expect a good thread from Mittani

Pfft.... I spell better and capitalize.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#11 - 2011-10-11 01:16:30 UTC
It would just cause people to FOTM chase every time their timer is up. Its a bad idea and would be horrible to the game.

Though I wouldn't mind having Mining 1 removed.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#12 - 2011-10-11 01:17:52 UTC
Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED.

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Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#13 - 2011-10-11 01:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Kitty McKitty
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
It would just cause people to FOTM chase every time their timer is up. Its a bad idea and would be horrible to the game.

Though I wouldn't mind having Mining 1 removed.


This Lol

Nova Fox wrote:
Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED.


and that

Also, I don't know how what I posted got him thinking about frequent SP reimbursments since what I was saying was just because a feature (like caps & supers) gets a rebalance does not mean it's reasonable to expect a SP redistribution simply because you do not like being FOTM any more.

At any rate it's been discussed to death and the 2 arguments are:

a.) Lol awesome, I pay money I should be allowed to do this

b.) This is dumb, encourages fotm chasing and makes a mockery of nurturing your character into a unique and beautiful snowflake..

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-10-11 01:23:28 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED.

Reimbursement != Redistribution

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#15 - 2011-10-11 01:25:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
It would also allow players to do say max perc/will and only train those skills. Then "respecing" their SP to a more balance skill set, that otherwise would have taken longer/used up remaps to achieve.

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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#16 - 2011-10-11 01:26:55 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Nova Fox wrote:
Skill reimburstment should ONLY be made available WHEN SKILLS ARE ENTIRELY REMOVED.

Reimbursement != Redistribution


Actually from CCP's point of veiw it has been so far.

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The Apostle
Doomheim
#17 - 2011-10-11 01:30:01 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
It would just cause people to FOTM chase every time their timer is up. Its a bad idea and would be horrible to the game.

Though I wouldn't mind having Mining 1 removed.

Yeah, I get the FOTM thing. But why would it be horrible to the game?

I mean firstly, using Kitty's hypothesis about making "beautiful people", then you simply wouldn't use your remap so that's a non-event

I just can't see why me changing my skills around occasionally would or should affect you. The number of SP's wouldn't change and I'm not advocating buying SP's so no advantage there.

Is it because you expect the logi pilot you saw in your last fight to remain a logi pilot? So he turns up in a HAC instead. What of it?

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Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
#18 - 2011-10-11 01:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Swooshie
This is always an interesting debate. On the one hand a character must have something unique in order for the player to identify to it and on the other hand, since MMOs are an accelerated alternate universe aimed at people with limited time, the characters can't be too static.

However, seeing how central the skill learning system is to the EVE experience, I would have to say that I believe that static SP is the ultimate element of strategy in the game and should remain extremely consequential.

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Burtzum
Det Som Engang Var
#19 - 2011-10-11 02:12:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Burtzum
EVE its too vast for a new player to grasp fully and know where they want to go. EVE takes a long time to make any progress in. People change over time, interests change. Practiced skills continue to grow, new interests take root, and old hobbies fade away. I'd be cool with a once a year redistribution of SP. If there is an overwhelming trend to flocking to flavor of the month, it just means CCP failed at balancing things properly.
The Apostle
Doomheim
#20 - 2011-10-11 02:21:44 UTC
Burtzum wrote:
EVE its too vast for a new player to grasp fully and know where they want to go. EVE takes a long time to make any progress in. People change over time, interests change. Practiced skills continue to grow, new interests take root, and old hobbies fade away. I'd be cool with a once a year redistribution of SP. If there is an overwhelming trend to flocking to flavor of the month, it just means CCP failed at balancing things properly.

FOTM, as much as it's a oft used terminology, happens anyway. Fleet doctrine on ops is sooooo FOTM and changes regularly .

From this, imagine fleet fights! You expect Alliance X to turn up with a drake blob and they show up in armoured canes... woot, surpise!!

A well co-ordinated alliance could really have fun with this as a concept.

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