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Big alliances and thier static lazy behavior (broken war design)
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#41 - 2013-02-01 10:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ptraci
Tarvos Telesto wrote:

To the point, alliances and peope are lazy ( lack of big battles) because of broken sov and war mechanic this give them feeling (here no sense to fight on big scale in blob war) in big perspective large battle and total destruction are rare things, in fact this whole supper aliances are lazy expoliters who expolit broken war mechanic most of them prefer carebearing and safe game style, years long, and join battle only on occasion of if they realy forced to big fights.


While I respect your low sec play, at least according to Eve kill, you seem to have very little null-sec experience and very little combat experience to be throwing around the term "care-bear". Unless of course this is an alt in which case post with your main.

Back to the topic - yes the war mechanic is broken. However the lack of destruction is not due to "player laziness" but rather the fact that sov grinding is a painful, arduous task requiring multiple alarm-clock ops since logic dictates your target will set his timers for your weakest time zone. So null sec players now hate sov grinding with a passion and you would too once you've done it a few times. And as for fleet battles, everyone loves those. What we don't love is lag, or the present incarnation of lag re-named "TiDi". When you've fought enough with 10% Tidi in battles you will realize how frustrating it is. Frustrating to the point that you try to avoid large battles also.

Therefore player "laziness" is not really the problem, but rather that people play Eve for FUN because it's a game, and both large fleet battles and sov grinding are NOT FUN.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-02-01 10:38:35 UTC
tl;dr we like shooting things that move and shoot back

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-02-01 10:41:20 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
tl;dr we like shooting things that move and shoot back


belt rats?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-02-01 10:41:43 UTC
players*

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Irya Boone
The Scope
#45 - 2013-02-01 11:10:19 UTC
maybe people play the way they want .....

Work as intended.

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#46 - 2013-02-01 21:16:50 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
2. It has nothing to do with the leaders, it has everything to do with the fact that 1+1>1.


Of course it has to do with the leaders. Why haven't all of the leaders backstabbed each other and put personal glory ahead of some silly alliance? Why hasn't every blob of blues torn itself apart over greed/petty grudges/etc? Where is the ambition to LEAD and not simply follow someone else and keep the safe easy profits coming in? This is EVE, not Polite and Profitable Commerce Online.


Because they're not irrationally vindictive?

What personal glory is there in dissolving an coalition in order to fight among yourselves with the prize being to have everyone's empire destroyed by that guy over there?

Rational people tend to work together because 1+1>1.

The real world is similar. You're basically asking why NATO hasn't started shooting at each other, why OPEC still controls much of Oil Pricing, and why every country is not at war with its neighbors literally all the time.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#47 - 2013-02-01 21:30:43 UTC
Kari Juptris wrote:
I'm going to tell you what everyone who actually lives out in nullsec is thinking:

You're a hisec mission runner who has no idea what he's talking about. Nobody, and I mean nobody, wants to have fights like Asakai several times a month just for fun. Well, not those who actually own the type of ship you're interested in seeing brawl anyway. You're also implying that we should fight to entertain you.

Shove off.


Are you not entertained?

John Hancock
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-02-01 21:32:18 UTC
Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-02-01 22:39:50 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do.


blue everyone any whine about no fights?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#50 - 2013-02-01 22:58:43 UTC
Wow the OP was made at 18:56.

Establishment post was made at 18:59.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2013-02-02 03:55:29 UTC
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do.

blue everyone any whine about no fights?

Haha, we've been fighting recently, too. That's great stuff.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-02-02 04:25:37 UTC
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do.


blue everyone any whine about no fights?


This post confirms that the huge fight in lowsec didn't happen. It's all a Glenn Beck conspiracy.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#53 - 2013-02-02 04:29:31 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Don't get mad that we play on a higher level than you do.


blue everyone any whine about no fights?


This post confirms that the huge fight in lowsec didn't happen. It's all a Glenn Beck conspiracy.


Those types of fights use to be more common, doesn't seem so much now. Granted I haven't been paying much attention lately.

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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#54 - 2013-02-02 15:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
So meny people are against my therard and opinion about this matter, i tell you somthing i dont care, even some dev likes my other post where i mention about this boken aspect, for sure in close futrure you have to adapt to changes, and please stop mention that im carebear and i have no idea how things works in null space, everyone with opened mind and eyes know what is going on.

Ps. Thanks to all involed who are against broken mechanic and static lazy alliances behavior.

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#55 - 2013-02-02 15:40:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
I realise that large battles isn't fun in every case also would be cool if CCP focus on small pvp features scale etc, because a lot people like small pvp, but i talk only in general, here to much stuf just wainting to explode while more dynamic and spontaneous alliances decisions, instead of months longs blobs or boring aliance exist (which result to bulid more and more titans which never come to usage) beause of directors strategy or thier permission to atack others one time per year, this should be fixed,

Meny people hate these who avoid big fights or any fight it self, but before you judge other look at your self and big alliances...

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Pepper Mind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-02-02 16:16:28 UTC
With neverending capabilities, people still laugh at you, if they see your killmail in local.
I don't feel affected by large Alliances in any kind in highsec.
Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
#57 - 2013-02-02 16:22:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarvos Telesto
Pepper Mind wrote:
With neverending capabilities, people still laugh at you, if they see your killmail in local.
I don't feel affected by large Alliances in any kind in highsec.


Agree with you, i dont care how big alliances affect hi sek, also i dont care about thier kill mails or thier or mine alts kill boards... I mention only that null space if filed with powerblocks who siting years long is same area and do nothing months long, exept battles initiated by mistakes or when somone force them to fight like enemy or much wose thier directors...

EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Ghazu
#58 - 2013-02-02 16:25:04 UTC
Tarvos Telesto wrote:
Pepper Mind wrote:
With neverending capabilities, people still laugh at you, if they see your killmail in local.
I don't feel affected by large Alliances in any kind in highsec.


Agree with you, i dont care how big alliances affect hi sek, also i dont care about thier kill mails or thier or mine alts kill boards... I mention only that null space if filed with powerblocks who siting years long is same area and do nothing months long, exept battles initiated by mistakes or when somone force them to fight like enemy or much wose thier directors...

what about high sec filled with afk botting miners and do nothing months long?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Pepper Mind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-02-02 16:29:12 UTC
I think you should put your energy in your present, in projects, which affect you. Thinking about great alliances in the deep-space shows me, that you put your focus wrong.
But -
I like this thread
Irya Boone
The Scope
#60 - 2013-02-02 16:33:32 UTC
Posting in another

people should play the game like i want /like and if they don't they are silly , I'am the only one To know How the game should be played .


so glad i'm IN BearBearBearBearBear

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB