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Different idea to bring more conflict in wormholes

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chris elliot
Hateful Intent
Triumvirate.
#21 - 2013-01-29 22:29:14 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Having some form of alliance bookmarks would also help.



Spies would rejoice if this ever happened.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#22 - 2013-01-29 22:31:50 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:

So by content you mean siterunning. Why don't you simply roll your static connection and run the sites there? Either way, that's not really what this suggestion is about...


Rek Seven wrote:

i don't know wtf you're talking about lil' kid Shocked

Are you saying that someone is coming into your wormhole everyday and running your sites before you get online?


Will you two clowns ******* pay attention here? My point is that content has frequently been burned through by folks in earlier TZs, and this provides a very substantial barrier to people from later TZs getting into WH space. No people = no conflict.

Or are we not trying to discuss ways to get more conflict in WH space? Roll

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-01-29 22:32:47 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Having some form of alliance bookmarks would also help.
Spies would rejoice if this ever happened.
That would entirely depend on particular implementation.
Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-01-29 22:38:03 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:

So by content you mean siterunning. Why don't you simply roll your static connection and run the sites there? Either way, that's not really what this suggestion is about...


Rek Seven wrote:

i don't know wtf you're talking about lil' kid Shocked

Are you saying that someone is coming into your wormhole everyday and running your sites before you get online?


Will you two clowns ******* pay attention here? My point is that content has frequently been burned through by folks in earlier TZs, and this provides a very substantial barrier to people from later TZs getting into WH space. No people = no conflict.

Or are we not trying to discuss ways to get more conflict in WH space? Roll

-Liang


Instead of having hissyfits like a little kid, you might want to clarify what that content is that you keep running out of. All I could think of is sites as those are quite simply the only thing you can run out of and even that is fixed by rolling your static and doing it somewhere else. If you wish to continue like a kid or someone with PMS, please don't bother responding.
Rek Seven
The Persuaders
#25 - 2013-01-29 22:41:34 UTC
Maybe by "wormholes" he means high sec and by "content" he means asteroids... Big smile
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#26 - 2013-01-29 22:42:58 UTC
Borlag Crendraven wrote:

Instead of having hissyfits like a little kid, you might want to clarify what that content is that you keep running out of. All I could think of is sites as those are quite simply the only thing you can run out of and even that is fixed by rolling your static and doing it somewhere else. If you wish to continue like a kid or someone with PMS, please don't bother responding.


It's very simple. No sites to run in late TZs = no people to run sites in late TZ = no PVP in late TZ. This directly hinges upon your OP as you discuss the "safe" ways to farm WH space. You guys keep thinking that I need advice on how to squeeze ISK out of WH space. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I need advice on how the **** to find people in WH space that aren't even logged in.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#27 - 2013-01-29 22:43:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Rek Seven wrote:
Maybe by "wormholes" he means high sec and by "content" he means asteroids... Big smile


Obviously. High sec is where I spend my days.

Roll

-Liang

Ed: Holy ****, I didn't realize you were such an amazing PVPer!! 367 kills and ranked 43000! How ever will I ever be able to relate to you!

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

chris elliot
Hateful Intent
Triumvirate.
#28 - 2013-01-29 22:48:28 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Maybe by "wormholes" he means high sec and by "content" he means asteroids... Big smile


Obviously. High sec is where I spend my days.

Roll

-Liang

Ed: Holy ****, I didn't realize you were such an amazing PVPer!! 367 kills and ranked 43000! How ever will I ever be able to relate to you!


Oh dear, someone just brought up rankings in here. *goes to get his fireproof suit*
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#29 - 2013-01-29 22:50:32 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Oh dear, someone just brought up rankings in here. *goes to get his fireproof suit*


Yeah, I considered not doing it for a moment. And then I remembered that some dumb ass was saying I was a high sec miner because I'd like to see more people logged in to shoot at.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Daenor Falknor
HunTim Trading Corp
#30 - 2013-01-29 22:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Daenor Falknor
Liang Nuren wrote:
I don't object to the fact that there's fewer people in my timezone. I'm objecting to the fact that by the time we log on there's literally no content at all in WH space. That's a design problem, not a player problem.

-Liang

Ed: That is to say, people will never move to WH space as long as all the content is completed for the day by the time they log in. I'm asking for the content to be delivered a bit more slowly and throughout the day.

Are you suggesting that sites are created at downtime, and by the time you log in (~18 hours later) they have been run by other players, not to be created again until the next DT? If so, then you are confused about the mechanic. Sites spawn all day. If you understand how sig IDs are created, then that is fairly obvious. It's also obvious if you half pay attention to your own system while you are logged on (if you log on for more than 20 minutes a day).
If that is NOT what you are saying, then please clarify, because I have no idea what you mean by content (sites) being gone.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#31 - 2013-01-29 23:05:57 UTC
Daenor Falknor wrote:

Are you suggesting that sites are created at downtime, and by the time you log in (say 12 hours later) they have been run by other players, not to be created again until the next DT? If so, then you are confused about the mechanic. Sites spawn all day. If you understand how sig IDs are created, then that is fairly obvious. It's also obvious if you half pay attention to your own system while you are logged on (if you log on for more than 20 minutes a day).
If that is NOT what you are saying, then please clarify, because I have no idea what you mean by content (sites) being gone.


I'm not sure how you people are missing this, because it's quite simple. I'm aware of the way sites spawn and despawn, and that they immediately respawn (somewhere else) when completed. However, what actually happens is that holes that are lived in are frequently depleted quite early in the day and holes that nobody lives in (or has very quiet residents) become absolutely packed with sigs.

Now, remember how the OP said these things?

Quote:
... This removes the methods used currently for safe farming, and as such automatically encourages more fights without changing the actual balance of the game one bit (ie. the holes would still be mass restricted just like they are now).

...

I think of it the other way, instead of having useless systems that give you absolutely no reason to be there, this might actually bring some more life into those. ...


Obviously, we are concerned about there being things to do in WH space and having the holes have value. We're looking for ways to get fights. And I'm telling you: you cannot fight people who are not logged in.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Piugattuk
Lone Star Warriors
Evictus.
#32 - 2013-01-29 23:13:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
A simple ideal would be to allow players to build a modified version of an outpost maybe say 25% the size of one and make it tied to some sort of SOV claim unit so if they lose SOV they lose there outpost but to be honest they're is a reason why WH conflict is not as happening and I think that logistically it's a pain to invade one and is more of a grief play to just peepee on someone then actually planning on taking over the WH.
chris elliot
Hateful Intent
Triumvirate.
#33 - 2013-01-29 23:16:27 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
A simple ideal would be to allow players to build a modified version of an outpost maybe say 25% the size of one and make it tied to some sort of SOV claim unit so if they lose SOV they lose there outpost but to be honest they're is a reason why WH conflict is not as happening and I think that logistically it's a pain to invade one and is more of a grief play to just peepee on someone then actually planning on taking over the WH.



Get out. EvilArrow
Rek Seven
The Persuaders
#34 - 2013-01-29 23:18:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Liang Nuren wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
Oh dear, someone just brought up rankings in here. *goes to get his fireproof suit*


Yeah, I considered not doing it for a moment. And then I remembered that some dumb ass was saying I was a high sec miner because I'd like to see more people logged in to shoot at.

-Liang


No I was basically saying you were talking absolute bollocks. Big smile
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-01-30 00:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Qvar Dar'Zanar
Rek Seven wrote:


Are you saying that someone is coming into your wormhole everyday and running your sites before you get online?


He's saying that somebody runs all the sites before he conects, but he hasn't said that it has to be someone outside his corp, nor that it has to be in his home system. It would be funny thou... The site-runner boogieman :D
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Top Belt for Fun
#36 - 2013-01-30 00:59:48 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
Oh dear, someone just brought up rankings in here. *goes to get his fireproof suit*


Yeah, I considered not doing it for a moment. And then I remembered that some dumb ass was saying I was a high sec miner because I'd like to see more people logged in to shoot at.

-Liang


No I was basically saying you were talking absolute bollocks. Big smile


How do you PVP people that aren't logged on?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Borlag Crendraven
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-01-30 05:30:27 UTC
You simply go out there and hunt. If that still doesn't give you enough things to do, maybe you should look into doing something else if w-space doesn't give you what you want. Seriously.
Sushi Nardieu
The Generic Pirate Corporation
#38 - 2013-01-30 05:36:14 UTC
I like random statics, I really do. But we have enough high-secs and low-secs as it is. No more goddamn high-sec wormholes.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
#39 - 2013-01-30 05:46:48 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


How do you PVP people that aren't logged on?

-Liang


You simply scan more. If you are looking for ganks (which is sounds like you are), this is how it's done. Kairos has been doing it successfully for a while now, hence why we kill more in wh space than anyone else. Sometimes you even get a fun fight out of it, which makes it all the more rewarding.

In conclusion, be patient, scan more, and it's amazing what you find.

No trolling please

Matuk Grymwal
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#40 - 2013-01-30 06:11:45 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:


How do you PVP people that aren't logged on?

-Liang


You simply scan more. If you are looking for ganks (which is sounds like you are), this is how it's done. Kairos has been doing it successfully for a while now, hence why we kill more in wh space than anyone else. Sometimes you even get a fun fight out of it, which makes it all the more rewarding.

In conclusion, be patient, scan more, and it's amazing what you find.
FYI - casual inspection of your KB shows pretty much none of your corps kills are in the off TZ Liang is talking about (late US through to AU).

As an AU WH player this is certainly an issue close to my heart. While you could rejig PVE content in various ways to drip feed availability through out the day, I can't see that fundamentally changing PVP availability in WH space. I think it would marginally increase the number of players in WH space at these times, but I'm not sure if it would massively change when the EU/US players play. Still it certainly wouldn't hurt.

Personally I'm doing more null/low stuff with alts to keep me entertained during quiet times.