Jita Park Speakers Corner

Please fix POSes. They affect a very large portion of EVE players.

Thank you CCP for getting my hopes up and once again crushing them. As Two Step said in his post, we've been ever so patient with you. But what do we get for it in return?

Another thing that infuriates me is the fact that apparently the new nebulas are too expensive to buy for WH space, does this mean that I can now submit a petition for a discount on my eve accounts? Apparently we aren't worth it. We wormholers are getting sick of being treated as second class citizens.

For a long time I used to say, be glad CCP doesn't do any work on WH space, because then they wont break anything either. But it's getting to the point it's ridiculous. Even a small changes to say C4 wormholes would be a small effort with CCP changing a few database records, but they don't seem to be willing to do that.

I had hoped with Two Step in the CSM something would change that, but clearly it hasn't.

Always wanted to start messing around with pos's, but everyone ever told me not to because it's too much of a hassle for a small corp, let alone one guy with an alt. redo pos's please.

As someone involved with both combat and industry in a new Corp, I have exposure to the POS system and will be dealing with it on a daily basis soon. I have also used them as a general resource/hangar etc for a couple of years in wormholes, in null, low and hi sec space.

I fully support the idea of CCP either reinstigating the development of the modular POS system, or at the very least improving the current one.

I read the blog post.
I was tempted to come in here dropping f bombs left, right and center.

a few deep breaths later and here I am.

I just resubed. Only because I thought the POS system was about to get better.
I am about to go and remove the auto sub from all of my accounts. They will expire unless the CSM post a clear and emphatic "POS life WILL be improved in May." once the 'planing phase' is done.

Y'all got Soon(tm) bombed! Ohooo!

Yes, fix POS's for gods sake.

I'll bring this to you in a slightly different way, you don't seem to be seeing what I do here. Unless you understand some aspects of software design complexities, you may not see potential problems -- we don't have the code to look at nor understand what "hacks" have been done to enable and disable certain types of functionality (such as POS shields, passwords on them, "POS bowling" 'fixes', etc.)

The changes desired... They may cause a great deal of grief. Think about it a bit and you may understand what I'm pointing at.

2 different "rule engines" for security - which works, which doesn't? "both work!" great, so which one is going to damage the other or overload it/change it? A more primitive tool is liable to cause all sorts of problems and trying to parallel implement a solution with old "hacks" doesn't turn out to well in many software situations.

"Phasing out" may not work. Literally, we don't know. There are all sorts of special rules about POS layouts that we know of but how they are coded and enforced are all unknowns and may not support "phasing out" vs just flat out junk it and replace - but replacing it along the lines of replacing a horse with a motorcycle... A tad different.

We just don't know but what we do know is that CCP has stated repeatedly they'd like to fix it and have "tweaked" it a few times in the past yet seem to hesitate when it comes to more radical fixes. Why?

"Lazy" - perhaps but it's quite possible that they also found they'll end up trashing the hell out of the existing POS's by "fixing it" for real.

Look at it this way -- if you held a POS in a premium location that many would like to take and it suddenly became vulnerable or went off-line due to changes -- so much so that someone else got in there and setup a POS on that spot while yours is "defunct" -- how thrilled would you be about those changes which just cost you a spot that you've been using potentially for years?

Is it worth the effort and risks? Most here say yes but most also don't seem to see the potential problems that "fixing it" may cause. Just like when the UI changes, there are "breaking in" periods where a hell of a lot of us hit issues with "glitches" (such as the old "no standings" vs "neutral standings" oddity issue that was hit a year or so ago).

When such glitches effect whether you keep or lose a spot that you have kept - that can cause a lot of complaints and problems if someone else takes it due to a bug or, even worse, a mechanics change that "phased out" a way you defended yourself.

Again, I do think it's worth the risks and effort but I also believe people need to think about this a bit and understand that there are potential risks to losing your POS (or losing access to it) depending on how different/radical the changes end up being.

I do think it's worth it but we would need CCP to explain some of the things and if it is radical - we can expect some/many to throw fits about losing their stuff. It is quite probably not going to be a clean fix situation with the thousands of POS's out there.

I normally don't post on forums, but when i do I want a POS revamp!

Oh no, we'll have to put logistics back on suicide watch! No CCP!

Please fix the POS!