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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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ep0c x
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#1561 - 2013-01-17 19:55:19 UTC

I for one would really like to see a big POS reworking.

'A pos should be something everybody wants', modular, able to jump, all that goodness.


Sorxus
High Intellion
#1562 - 2013-01-17 19:56:58 UTC
Think that expansion related to POS'es should be a priority. Many people are waiting for this. We don't need another FW or null-sec sov expansion. If it will take time for you CCP, we are ready to wait.

Apocrypha was a perfect expansion. Take notes from the past experiences.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#1563 - 2013-01-17 19:58:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
I remember us being called 'golden goose' around the time the NEX was introduced and some other 'interesting' stuff leading up to Incarnarage.
It was a bad choice of words, because it showed a severe disrespect to those who pay CCP to do their thing. Without our funding it's end exercise for EVE.

Now those who keep POS's up are being called a 'small portion of the community'.
Once again a bad choice of words. In this case because there is so much more that hinges onto the antiquated POS system.

That poor choice of words coming from CCP Unifex just gives people the strong notion that the guy in charge has no idea what he or she is talking about. Now that, a game designer showing a huge lack of game knowledge, can put people on the fence, I hope you're not surprised.

It's like when one CCP dev once told us in a dev blog, to go out and target paint Supercaps, Structures, or Sieged Caps.
You just asked for mayhem. (Do a search for CCP Nozh if you're unaware of what I'm talking about).

Are you actually playing your own game or do you make these things up while you move on from day to day? Because that is actually quite necessary since EVE is such a complex game. We're not talking about a predefined theme park here like Wow.


To CCP Gargant:
NO ONE HERE IN THIS THEAD SOFAR SAID OVERHAUL IT AT ONCE. Look I can use caps too. :P





Most of us are older then 12. We say, it must be done. We say it must be done starting now because otherwise, since we know CCP, it takes forever to get it started again. We also say knowingly it is a huge task, to do it in small steps. One at the time.

WE also know about incarna, how much of the expectations got lost, how much it hurt CCP and subsequently our game. No-one in his right mind wants that again.


Just stop swinging around and around. Dev blog says this (too much of a hassle we cannot commit ourselves to just one feature), another one says that (we need to take care of those who enable stuff) and the minutes say something else (POS needs love but we have no clue how what when whenever and POS enablers are not worth our time).







For crying out loud make up your mind! *Focus* for once. Stop being so ultimately vague to us and your self. Set a course and stay with it for longer then a year.
Crash69
Doomheim
#1564 - 2013-01-17 19:58:41 UTC
Cool Graphics .... Done
Improved overview ... Done
Ship Rebalance .... In progress
Crimewatch .... done
sov mechanics ... done
FW updates ... done


MODULAR POSes .... ?????



DO IT NOW!
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#1565 - 2013-01-17 19:59:21 UTC
I too approve this rework of POSes as being needed asap.

We have small, medium & large POSes now.

I would like to see another couple of sizes of POSes:

X-large & Capital POSes. These new larger size POSes would allow for more variety of what to do with them. Plus it would make juicier targets for attackers.

It would be cool if there was a mini POS too. The access would be for player only. Would not need any corp roles & could only do one or two things. i.e. lab and personal hanger(ships/mods)

R.I.P. Vile Rat

Hustomte
Veritex Industrial Inc.
#1566 - 2013-01-17 19:59:29 UTC
Posting my $0.02 on a request for modular POS's.

As a very busy person IRL, my game play style has lent itself to planetary interaction to make POS fuel. I have always dreamed since my first week in Eve of owning and operating my own POS. Still to this day, years later, my colleagues and I are still grinding for standings to plant a POS. However even if one of us left corp to plant the POS on our own, all the moons in High Sec are taken. The attention then shifts towards hiring a merc corp to remove an inactive tower, along with the fear of it being an alts placeholder for Goonswarm or some other powerful entity that would simply crush our small research POS. The need for which was only spawned by the insanely long BPO copy queue times (45+ days).

I humbly beg and plead to CCP to please fix POS's.
- To anchor them anywhere
- To be modular
- To preferably not be such a standings grind for industrialist players (a lot of courier missions LOL)

We are at your mercy on this. All I can do is say "please" and "thank you" for your hard work and continued dedication to the player base.

...Signature...

NosceTeIpsum
Intersolar Dynamics
#1567 - 2013-01-17 20:01:11 UTC
Hydrogen Isos..... all I see in my sleep is Hydrogen Isos!!!!! FTLOG please improve the POS system. This thread has my undying support.
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1568 - 2013-01-17 20:03:53 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Two step wrote:


Again, I'd like to remind folks that are actually reading this thread to keep things civil and constructive. Going all nutso will only hurt the chances of getting CCP to work on POSes.


While I agree with this to some point, however how long should the playerbase play nice? This has been discussed and almost unanimously support from the playerbase for years, yet it has remained a elephant in the room. While many would not wish to resort to rage, it seems to be the only effective measure to get CCP support, as history would show.

Development on this should have started shortly after Apocrapha, especially with the explosion of POS use when wormholes where released. Yet it does not seem that CCP even cares or has even started working on it.


CCP should feel like we're simply voicing our support for a feature we deeply care about, not that we're a riotous crowd trying to ransom them into developing a feature we care about. Thus, being rude or mean is not the way to go.


I have a much different opinion on this than Mynnna. Historically CCP only seems to change their positions when the playerbase either riots, smears them in the media, or inflicts pain on their subs. I consider riotous behavior consistent with the belief that their behavior only seems to change when displeasure is voiced in the most extreme ways possible.

It isn't that I like that, it is that they seem to keep repeating the same mistakes as the past....not listening to the players until forced to.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.

MadbaM
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1569 - 2013-01-17 20:04:47 UTC
Jr Instructorcon wrote:
My alliance has a suicide watch style support network for people who manage the 500+ POS/infrastructure my alliance needs.

Stew on that for awhile.


I wish i was joking when i say we have had 2 players quit EVE and never heard from again as a direct result of managing all the POS in our WH.
C'Lox
Special Assault Unit
Pandemic Horde
#1570 - 2013-01-17 20:06:44 UTC
Time for a change..do it!
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#1571 - 2013-01-17 20:07:09 UTC
POS's need major work and modular with improvements would be awesome.

As a inventor, for an invention job it is ridiculous/unintuitive/just plain DUMB that I am required to place BPC, Datacores, decryptors which will be consumed, along with a racial interface that will not be consumed into the same hanger of the same lab I will use for the job.

After doing all those requirements I still have to tell the stupid interface which lab to use! Shocked

Some high tech marvel that is.

Lot's of work to be done here, and it is a MAJOR feature of the game for me and many, many others.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.

TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1572 - 2013-01-17 20:08:30 UTC
POS are terrible. Delete them all.
Daedra Blue
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1573 - 2013-01-17 20:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Daedra Blue
Hello, i would also love to say a few things poses can be but are not due to the limitations.

First i must say that building my own pos was what made me start to play eve 6 years ago. And i totally love the concept.

1.Building potential: Currently in highsec all station slots are full while pos slots sit empty. Wish there was a way to publicly rent pos slots in a way that did not require you to turn over all your belongings.
2.Production efficiency: Seriously why do i need to get carpal tunnel again if i want to scale up production?
3.Better permission: system to Pos and corp. You cant do many things without having to give people the possibility to rob you blind.
4.Looks: It's you own damn station, it looks like a damn stick within a bubble. The least impressive structure in eve.
5.Customization: There's really no branding to it. Give it a billboard with the corp logo or something.
6.Moving cargo: Would be nice if we did not have to move the stuff from different cargoes all the time we are in our own station, it can a least move the damn things within its perimeter and not have to use our pilots mechanism to be in range of all the things you want moved.
7. Somehow i am not really impressed by the combat systems around the pos. It should be more fun then afk-ing to bring it down.
8.About the small community part: I am fairly sure, but do provide us with metrics. What % of the existing research/invention/production is being done at poses compared to npc stations. That would sum up the impact of this minority on eve.
Horus V
The Destined
#1574 - 2013-01-17 20:09:43 UTC
Please bring love for POS users. its a backbone of every corp i know.

+1

V

Bairfhionn Isu
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
#1575 - 2013-01-17 20:10:18 UTC
Any Dev get into a WH and live in it. You will despise the POS/Corp mechanics as everyone in here does.
Darth Skorpius
352 Industries
#1576 - 2013-01-17 20:11:06 UTC
I'd like to point out one part of POS's that annoys the **** out of me. They are called PLAYER Owned Structures, but a better name for them would be CORP Owned Structures. They are so heavily reliant on corp roles that the only way to have a personal POS is to be in your own one person corp. When you eventually get around to fixing POS's, please make them truly PLAYER owned again.
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1577 - 2013-01-17 20:12:55 UTC
At this point this trad have more posts then the 1 year old modules sugestions tread at Feature and Ideas section...
in just a day...
Tannat Skor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1578 - 2013-01-17 20:14:18 UTC
POS's mechanics really need improvement, and in my opinion it should come before adding new ships and flavor (the captain's quarters for example).

Fix the current game we are playing, then expand it.

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#1579 - 2013-01-17 20:14:21 UTC
Darth Skorpius wrote:
I'd like to point out one part of POS's that annoys the **** out of me. They are called PLAYER Owned Structures, but a better name for them would be CORP Owned Structures. They are so heavily reliant on corp roles that the only way to have a personal POS is to be in your own one person corp. When you eventually get around to fixing POS's, please make them truly PLAYER owned again.


A corp is generally made up of players.

Really individual POSs isn't something I would be all crazy about. However improving POSs to the point where individuals wouldn't have the need for personal POSs is the direction it should go.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1580 - 2013-01-17 20:14:48 UTC
Bairfhionn Isu wrote:
Any Dev get into a WH and live in it. You will despise the POS/Corp mechanics as everyone in here does.

Each and every CCP employee who are thinking "well the POSes can wait" should try to setup a 2 simple to 1 complex reaction POS, using the interface they have in the game now. Then change the reaction to a new type. Then do it again. And again. And again.

Then tell me the POSes "just affects a minor part of the playerbase".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat