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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Kalar Rathos
NERPS Corp
#1081 - 2013-01-17 16:24:19 UTC
signed.
Reah Loth
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#1082 - 2013-01-17 16:24:31 UTC
I have never set up or managed a pos.

My corporation and alliance have people that do this for me, and the amount of time and effort they spend on making my life better is mind-blowing.

From having a place to store my ships, to jumpbridges, cynobeacons and last but not least, moon mining to pay for the ships I lose, poses have a major impact on my gametime. This rings true for more or less everyone living in null alliances.

The fact that the actual pos managers are not a majority of the population is irrelevant, consider the impact on the game if these masochistic bastards decided they have had enough of the outdated mechanics and simply quit. Nullsec would literally come to a grinding halt within days.

Fix poses, they are vital to a huge portion of your playerbase.
Rob Benson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1083 - 2013-01-17 16:25:39 UTC
irefayer wrote:
Current POS setup makes baby Jesus Cry!


Hang on, Baby Jesus, this is gon' get bumpy!

Skyriders, ride on!
Erredent
League of xX420BLAZEITSWAGGOTXx.
Nulli Secunda
#1084 - 2013-01-17 16:25:52 UTC
Bump for POS work!
Zerb Arus
WormSpaceWormS
#1085 - 2013-01-17 16:26:15 UTC
When I first heard that you could build POSs I was like: Wow I really need to build one someday!
When I first saw a real POS I was like: Uh that looks somewhat underwhelming.
When I first lived out of a POS (deep earlly dronelands and WH later): Doh thats cumbersome and I hope noone steals my stuff.
...
When I first built and managed a POS I was like:

Arrr!!! POSs aint a feature, they are a necessary evil that we learned to live with only because of lacking alternatives for certain tasks.

And judging from my experiences with new players, there seem to be quite a lot of folks going through at lest the first two stages.
BajaRocker
Past Corps
#1086 - 2013-01-17 16:26:53 UTC
I am a small portion of the community. . .
Malady Jane
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1087 - 2013-01-17 16:26:59 UTC
If the POS changes CCP was considering would only affect POS managers, then CCP needs to reevaluate the goal of changing POSes rather than dumping the idea wholesale. I don't manage a POS, but I do live out of one. I also do security checks for recruiting and know that a better POS system would not only help those people that manage POSes, AND those that live in them, but ALSO every player that aspires to live in wormhole space.

Fleet warfare was a tiny percentage of people, yet FW got a huge (imba) revamp. Wormholers are a larger group than fleet warfare used to be. Add in nullsec POSes with shenanigans like entire enemy fleets inside the POS shields trying to bump people out, or caps escaping due to password change bumping them far out of warp disruption bubble cages. Add in HS and LS research stations. POSes affect more than just a few people, CCP.
Frying Doom
#1088 - 2013-01-17 16:27:14 UTC
Alx Warlord wrote:
Valeo Galaem wrote:
signed.

All of the good ideas and reasons have already been discussed. All that remains now is action.



Probably there are still annother thousand posts untill we reach this point....

the first 1000 was posted in the first half of the day 1...

Also, poetic discussion...http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com.br/2013/01/why-ccp-is-wrong-about-modular-poses.html

And spread the word...

Think about the fact that it is a Thursday not a weekend, then imagine what this will look like if left to fester till said weekend when the rest of the POS users log in.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Sierruk
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#1089 - 2013-01-17 16:27:32 UTC
Please rework the POS system, it's a nightmare for us wormholers.
Craggus
Doomheim
#1090 - 2013-01-17 16:28:12 UTC
Sedilis wrote:
Outrageous u-turn CCP!

Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.

We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.

We don't even need a whole new pos system.

WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.

Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!



Secure ship storage is what I'd like to see.

Ignoring w-space and calling us a small community is ridiculous.
Doornroosje
Talocan Vanguard
#1091 - 2013-01-17 16:28:46 UTC
I am running my wormhole-corp from a POS. EVERYTHING we do is affected by it.

I waited a long time already for changes. Why post-pone further? This needs to be adressed.
Prime FLux
Perkone
Caldari State
#1092 - 2013-01-17 16:28:46 UTC
I have played this game for quite a while now. During all the time i invested in the game I have tried many of the games mechanics and features. I have mined, run missions, done exploration, killed other players (both in 1vs1 fights and in 3000man fights), been a director and co-CEO for a middle sized 0.0 corp. Basically I have been around the block a few times.

My experience with the POS mechanics is somewhat less the enjoyable. The POS management / corp management is about the worse and most annoying mechanics in the game. The issues to make a POS usable and somewhat secure is a major pain. Which is why I today have my T2/research POS in a alt corp with my characters in it. Were is the social interaction in that?

At the same time the potential for a well working POS system is immeasurable. An working modular POS, a system that is scalable and easy to adapted to your different needs. It could anything from your humble 1-room space house to the super-cap producing mega shipyard.
The Crimson Invaider
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1093 - 2013-01-17 16:28:46 UTC
Dear CCP,

Please Fix poses. Not many people use them currently as its boring as hell. A revamp or modular pos system, possibly tied into sov structures for system improvements would be a good thing.
BreakingNews
Reboot Required
#1094 - 2013-01-17 16:29:09 UTC
This must be some kind of bad joke by CCP . . . This is also the kind of things people resign over.
Murbella Idaho
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1095 - 2013-01-17 16:29:31 UTC
The reason so few people manage POSes is it is horribly annoying to manage a POS and if you were allowed to manage 1 POS within a Corp, said Corp its than trusting you with every POS they own. Basically CCP is saying they want to keep a broken system because not many people have the patience to deal with the broken system...

Please put this back on the roadmap
Poppazzard
Wolfpack Inc.
#1096 - 2013-01-17 16:29:52 UTC
Please CCP listen to your community.

POS have a huge impact on the game even if the position of POS manager is only slightly less of a minority than CEO's !

Give us a quick fix on private storage in hangars and assembly arrays and put in proposals for long term fixes for other issues and see the community sit back and smile Big smile
Tonken Artrald
Inner Beard Society
Kvitravn.
#1097 - 2013-01-17 16:30:12 UTC
Signed
Resnik Cesaille
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1098 - 2013-01-17 16:31:36 UTC
Definitely something that needs looking at.

I wonder how many people actually refrain from setting up a POS after hearing all those horror stories.
Sorxus
High Intellion
#1099 - 2013-01-17 16:31:54 UTC
For those who don't like reading walls of text: GIVE US OUR POS's NOW!

What CCP employees said at CSM minutes about POS's just shows that probably they are not competent enough in what they are doing, they have no idea how to improve POS's or that once again trampling around null-sec is "better for their business".

As i said in another topic, POS system was introduced back in 2003 and since then it didn't get any major improvement. When they introduced POS's, they had no idea back then that large corporations and alliances could live in this cumbersome system. There are few people that manages POS, yes, but all my corporation people, alliance people live with this outdated game mechanic from day to day. And its not just my alliance, there many other alliances, lots of people with the same problem everywhere around EVE universe.

If its too hard to make modular POS's, at least improve security problems. We have been waiting for tis for too long.

CCP employees, its urgent that you finally do it.
Vexaliant Uhad
#1100 - 2013-01-17 16:32:03 UTC
This a beyond needed revamp. Consider this petition signed.

Little do they realize that yes, only a few people in eve may manage a pos, but it is the basis of almost any large scaled operations and without them working properly it hinders the gameplay experience for an entire corporation, not just for the ones managing it.

Please ccp. After all this turnaround you have done in the past couple years on listening to your CURRENT subscirbers, please don't turn over and go back to the old ways. Work with us here. Even if only a little...