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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Dubious Builder
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#941 - 2013-01-17 15:41:14 UTC
Post & how about reworking roles for access to hangers & yeah some more hangers; seperate ones w/ more layers of security for mega corps
Brakoo
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#942 - 2013-01-17 15:41:32 UTC
POS Revamp Signed
Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#943 - 2013-01-17 15:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
Woa! i blinked and it is over 900+ .... soon there will be a 1000 posts here!!!

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
G0hme
Illusion of Flight
#944 - 2013-01-17 15:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: G0hme
Even though they might not read this far, but thank you for basicly stating that we don't matter.

We dont need something new, we need to be able to garantee atleast some sort of security for our members assets. Its really simple, even transfering the CHA divions to SMAs would be an improvement, it wouldnt fix the problem entirely seeing as everyone with the same role would be able to access the same division, but its a start!

But thank your for forcing us to have 16 poses for a 50 man corp just to be able to provide some sort of security.

Also

Sedilis wrote:
"Outrageous u-turn CCP!

Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.

We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.

We don't even need a whole new pos system.

WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.

Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!"

Shook Eelm's hand at Fanfest 2012

Shook CCP Soundwave's hand at Fanfest 2013

Got NPC API removed from Wormhole Space.
Rich Pickings
MetaHum
Brothers of Tangra
#945 - 2013-01-17 15:42:42 UTC
I agree Fix the pos system as its so outdated.
The management of the pos and corp access has always been a pain and more of a security risk than it was worth.
Maybe the pos defence system could do with a good revamp as well.
L4ST
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#946 - 2013-01-17 15:42:48 UTC
my coalition, my alliance and my corp members are all going crazy about this because either they are directly affected or others around them drive them crazy about it.

"Doesn't affect enough players" - well as far as I can tell it affects at least:

GSF - 8920 Characters
RAZOR- 3464 Characters
FCON - 2390 Characters
SMA - 2136 Characters
LAWN - 1826 Characters
FA - 2428 Characters
TNT - 1408 Characters
EXE - 998 Characters
CO2 - 600 Characters
A.I.F - 1011 Characters
GENTS - 2083 Characters

Total: 27264 Characters

Assuming an absolutely exaggerating 7 characters average in alliance per person, this would still be be 3900 real people for the north western part of nullsec only directly or indirecly (which counts just as much, guys) affected. And I did forget some entities such as xix here.
Blood Mage
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#947 - 2013-01-17 15:43:00 UTC
My main experience with POSes came from when me and 5 IRL friends with around 10 accounts total decided to try life in a wormhole, after maybe a month or so all of us quit eve due to how much of a pain it is to use a pos on a daily basis and today only 3 of us have come back to eve since then
fukier
Gallente Federation
#948 - 2013-01-17 15:43:02 UTC
Two step wrote:
I wrote a blog post about the summit, here: http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2013/01/i-am-small-portion-of-community.html

If you want CCP to work on the POS system, either by improving the current one or by starting work on the long awaited Modular POS system, post here.


yes please but not all at once...

if they are smart and do it in stages then they can work on other things and work on this aswell...

i just dont want another 18 month thing...
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
Lyriaka
Perkone
Caldari State
#949 - 2013-01-17 15:43:06 UTC
POS

FIX
Ptrum
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#950 - 2013-01-17 15:43:37 UTC
Please revamp
Tetania
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#951 - 2013-01-17 15:43:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tetania
I have worked with and not worked with the POS system over my eve career. Currently I'm using it again for reactions.

It has ALWAYS appealed to me. It is the real player housing of eve not captains quarters. I loved the Fanfest vision of POS something everyone could own from a relative new players ratting base through an industrialists factory complex to a nullsec block leader's super-capital harbour.

Structures in space is a mechanic which i firmly believe is aspirational to everyone but in it's current incarnation is only touching a small portion of the player base because it is so horrible.

And unlike every other mmo universe out there who have to instance their player owned structures eve has enough space that everyone can own their little piece in the trillions of trillions of AUs of space in this universe. (With some obvious exclusion zones and a decay system for unmaintained structures obviously)

So please commit to this feature for everyone.
Perana
Wartime Piratical Industries
#952 - 2013-01-17 15:44:04 UTC
YES

Even though it is inevitable that the masses will eventually want them to move around like the Star Wars Death Star.
Yusul
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#953 - 2013-01-17 15:44:07 UTC
Others have said it better, but I just wish to add my support to the POS revamp. I haven't touched them in years of play due to the frequent horror stories and little perceived benefit. I had high hopes of the POS revamp reviving production in nullsec. I have no reason to reactivate my old industrial alt account as things stand now.
Groperson
State War Academy
Caldari State
#954 - 2013-01-17 15:44:24 UTC
POSes are an absolute nightmare to work with and it results in many people not wanting to use them, please fix them.
MinionOfNorm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#955 - 2013-01-17 15:44:28 UTC
Please fix POSes. They have always been horrible and just because a station is better doesn't mean you can ignore them. You have made a sand box, give us better tools and more sand thank you.
Sarell Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#956 - 2013-01-17 15:45:10 UTC
POS's are pretty much the core infrastructure of this game. So few people use them because of how terrible they are.

Why did you revamp faction warfare when so few people used it?

Please make POS-revamp a priority.
Xa Enyalius
House Harkconnan
#957 - 2013-01-17 15:45:18 UTC
/Signed
Bluelynx
Lead Farmers
#958 - 2013-01-17 15:45:58 UTC
Dear CCP,
If its hard, then make it grand! The potential for amazing thing coming out of POS redesign is unlimited. How about player owned modular villages gradually replacing NPC owned stations? A whole new realm of possibility for traders. More, and more meaningful conflict. Meaningful economic warfare. Highsec gameplay could be so much more than minerbumping and freighterganking. I can see a whole lot of potential to revitalize lowsec too.

Also from a pure company profit perspective there's a whole slew of vanity store type possibilities. I know some people on certain other MMOs that spend more time and (real) money on thier player owned house than they do on actual gameplay. There's potential here to suck in a whole other market segment that you dont even have yet. If you could somehow combine this with actual functioning walking in stations, my god i can only imagine how awesome it would be.
I can *only* imagine, because apparently its too hard.

On a more immediate level, could we at least have individual ship storage? You already have one module that has seperate storage for any player using it (POCO), would it really be so hard to adapt that for ship storage? (I know nothing about coding, and apologize if this is a grossly ignorant question).
industrial oblitorator
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#959 - 2013-01-17 15:46:23 UTC  |  Edited by: industrial oblitorator
AttentionAttentionAttentionHey CCP i dare you to listen to the players AttentionAttentionAttention


Idea I mean what do we know , we only have poses as a major part of our game other than ships and stations.

SadYeah you gave us walking in stations, so we could turn it off.

Idea So try something we want...

Arrow How many people burn out or get sick of EvE because of POSES ?????



fix the damn poses


you can do it

http://www.eve-outtakes.de/industrial-oblitorator.jpg Indy 0/
Jantunen the Infernal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#960 - 2013-01-17 15:46:56 UTC
Posting for POS revamp. The reason why me, and probably many others, don't use POSes much is simply because it's such a pain in the arse with the current mechanics. I'd gladly set some up if doing so wasn't such torture.