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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Dr Leon SpicyWiener
Discount Proctology Professionals.
#901 - 2013-01-17 15:31:51 UTC
Please fix POSs make them better. they are a very important part of our gaming experiance
Avacore Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#902 - 2013-01-17 15:31:58 UTC
Personally I would LOVE to own a POS and I might get one eventually but currently I feel that I would have to create my own alt-corp just to manage it. If it was just slightly easier and they weren't completely useless for stuff like refining and the like I would probably have 2+ at the least.

FIX POS:es
Nicolai Kapersky
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#903 - 2013-01-17 15:32:16 UTC
Please fix the anchorning process and the UI
Reimon Jeh
NX-Enterprises
#904 - 2013-01-17 15:32:21 UTC
POS's are in need of a serious overhaul. Please make it happen.
Jin alPatar
Entertainment 7wenty
The Burning Contingent Alliance
#905 - 2013-01-17 15:33:03 UTC
ash veratis wrote:
the notion that poses only affect a small portion of the eve population is ludicrous at best.

If it's even remotely true, then it's only happened because the existing POS system is the most broken piece of EVE.


Agree.

It's already been said but I'll add my voice: Make POSes something everyone wants to own and subscribers will increase. Make POSes something useful that almost everyone CAN own and subscribers will go through the roof.
RankOutsider
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#906 - 2013-01-17 15:33:25 UTC
Please revamp the POS system and make it easier to use
Zarox Ilphukeira
ZERO T0LERANCE
RAZOR Alliance
#907 - 2013-01-17 15:33:27 UTC

Broken POS is, Fixit you should!

Give Fix now!

Seriously... POS-Management is a nightmere... its just horrible.
Given that 1/3 of the game is Space where most production is done in POS, where Ships are used that can only be build in POS, and where POS are shot in order to trigger a fight, I fail to see why this is "not worth doing" as it doesnt affect enough players.
Chiana Stormreaver
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#908 - 2013-01-17 15:33:44 UTC
PLZ fix tha POS'es Cool
Protoburger
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#909 - 2013-01-17 15:33:55 UTC
Fix the POSes !!

At least open containers at the POSes hangars would be a great advance.
Renkari
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#910 - 2013-01-17 15:33:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Renkari
There is one citation from the minutes recurring in this thread, that suggests that POSes won’t be revamped at all. There is another mention of them in the art discussion on page 99 of the minutes:

Quote:
Seagull: The reason there's a “no” to doing [Modular POSes] right now is that it was affecting all of these areas in a way that was too big to do at once. What you're trying to do is try to find a way to get what you want, but what we need to do is go back and look at how we can separate all these layers, and figure out something reasonable, and then have Art do something that's immersive and amazing.


This suggests it will be done in baby steps in the course of 2-3 years probably.
While I won’t argue about the measure of impact revamping POS system has, I can think of no better toolbox to build new gameplay opportunities.


  • POSes are scalable, form personal towers to important alliance assets.
  • POSes are configurable, so it is possible to add new interesting modules without introducing a whole new type of structures.
  • POSes are viable objectives for small gang warfare, especially if it’s true that they plan to remove the POS field.
  • POSes are ideal for providing groups bottom-up income, if their activities can be made taxable.


Just by reading through the two null-sec session (that is how far I got on the document) made me realize how many goals stated there a revamped POS system could help achieve.
POS revamp was said to be much more than just making its UI better, and as such it holds tremendous value for CCP.
Hiro Gemulus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#911 - 2013-01-17 15:34:03 UTC
Players in all aspects of the game use POSes. From nullsec ~Elite PvP~ to highsec industrial barons (and even those crazy wormhole types), POSes are an integral part of the play experience.

I also can't image a nullsec/sov revamp without major POS changes.
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#912 - 2013-01-17 15:34:05 UTC
Considering that all of the t2 components come from POSs I would say that they impact every single player out there. Not to mention those of who handle logistics and have to handle POSs all the time. It's a few people as handling the POSs is such a hell that you have to be crazy to do it but their work affects a lot more people. Perhaps the work could be spread out with POSs being if not fun to use then at least ok unlike today.

So please do invest time in fixing one of the most broken parts of EVE. We can wait while it gets done. This is EVE, not politics, we accept long term planning as something good.
Fishbone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#913 - 2013-01-17 15:34:07 UTC
Its not worthy to be addressed? Its one of the oldest features in Eve that hasn't been revisited, revamped, nerfed, whatever you wanna call it.

Come on CCP - come out and say the real reason you do not wanna look into it. You guys have no idea how to improve the code used by the guy(s) that originally implemented POS, into the game. So you would have to basically start from scratch. Well, do it, it need some love, make it better for everyone, and I bet you would see a lot more people involved in them.

I know I used to do POS work for my old corp when they came out, I was the GOTO Guy when it came to POS's. Now, I am so glad I got out of managing them, because all I hear is a lot of bitching about their function, and/or lack of functionality.
Clasina
Top Hat Innovations
#914 - 2013-01-17 15:34:16 UTC
There are countless POS in empire let alone lowsec/nullsec what kind of asshattery is this.
Nicola Arman
Deep Maw Salvage
#915 - 2013-01-17 15:34:51 UTC
The POS system needs updating, polishing, and a little TLC. It's a brilliant concept and a vital part of the game. Revamp! Improve the system!
Nair Alderau
The Blessed Chains of Freedom
#916 - 2013-01-17 15:34:59 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
Just when we were starting to think CCP were getting it, they do a stupid like this, again. What better way to deflate the good feeling Tiericide has been generating by yet again showing a complete disconnect as to what is important to us.


One good thing to remember. This time it seems to be more ignorance than complete lunacy coupled with arrogance (Incarna).

Communication with CCP is more open nowadays. And - most importantly - this time we can intercede just at the right time. CCP is thinking about the contents of the summer expansion RIGHT NOW. Unless with Incarna, we are not coming to late. We might just get through in time to change it.
Violous
Vae Caudex Corporation
#917 - 2013-01-17 15:35:29 UTC
I want a Pos revamp
DZOAVITS
Virtus Crusade
Brave Collective
#918 - 2013-01-17 15:35:40 UTC
The POS system is fundamental to game mechanics, you cannot own (and safely park) a super without a POS, you cannot live out of a wormhole without a POS, you essentially cannot do research in hi-sec without a POS, etc. They are also important in sov warfare and nullsec logistics. The only reason there is a "small group" of players managing POSes is because they are such a pain to manage, and a high-security activity, that the task must be reserved for leadership roles.

CCP: PLEASE MAKE POS REVAMP A TOP PRIORITY, WE NEED IT! What?

Snip Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Howllen
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#919 - 2013-01-17 15:36:10 UTC
Once a CCP official said wouldn't it be great if everyone had a POS, wanted a POS, could use a POS? ( or something like that ) well wouldn't it? As it is now a POS is so complicated, so hard to manage it is restricted only to those who either have huge resources or complete dedication to their management. I've been playing over two years and have yet to set up a POS much less own one, as much as I might like to. Here is such a fundamental part of the game and because of it's over complication and poor design structure it is out of reach for most of the player base.
Xirin
Estrale Frontiers
#920 - 2013-01-17 15:36:23 UTC
For the love of God, and all that is holy, please re-do the POS system from the ground up!