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POSes: I am a small portion of the community

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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
#761 - 2013-01-17 14:45:00 UTC
Post for support

wumbo

Talin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#762 - 2013-01-17 14:45:16 UTC
I'm reposting this here because it sums up my feelings on this mater really well. The Modular system that was perposed to us so many months ago was a great step forward in what I think EVE needs. People need more of a stake in this space game. Housing is or Personal Modular stations is a good way to give players a reason to come back, and allow for many things to be tied back that could potentally FIX a vast number of things if tied in correct.

We need something done with POS's to make them more accessable and more interesting. I would use one if they were. Anyway to make it short and sweet, CCP, something needs to be done about POS's and the Idea's you had so many months ago. Trust me when I say, these changes would have effected me. They really would have.

Your humble "Lurker" signing out.

Without anymore preamble here is the post I made earlier.


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Greetings to CCP and CSM,

I want to congratulate you one what seems to be a very successful gathering. You both seem to have hashed something to be relished. The new direction sounds promising and the new Custodian's of the EVE Universe seem to have a good grasp on what they want and perhaps what we want.

However in the course document I became extremely discourage. Perhaps I didn't read enough or didn't comprehend everything that was said, but from the nature of the minutes it seems that the idea of Modular POS's has been side lined if not completely scraped by the development team.

The idea's given to us several months ago were a beautiful reminder to me of the awe and potential of EVE. The honest truth is I've always wanted to have a little section of EVE that was distinctly my own. Something the current system of POS's does not provide to someone who by accountability terms for EVE would be considered a "Lurker". While I know it's possible open a Starbase in the current system. The thing purposed to the CSM's and the inadvertently the rest of the player base was exactly what I've always wanted. I've always wanted a home floating around the Planet of my choosing, so I could claim a little section of High sec for myself. I even have a little planetary Orbit I've picked out already.

Under the plans described to CSM back before the beginning of the new year I was excited and began actively playing again. Now the ball has been yanked out again, and a potentially great feature was taken away with no argument or consideration for what could become a very viable aspect of EVE if it was nurtured. Rather it was casually swept under the rug because it would be to constraining to impalement. Because it would effect to few players. Well if you had chosen to look into expanding the versatility and desire would undoubtedly increase. I know I would be making a new home in space.

The new Dev blogs even more outrageously continued to list POS's as part of the changes potential changes. While I know it was stated that it might not reflect the final list. They then cold handedly rip any continued idea of the aforementioned Modular POS's out because they don't THINK it will effect enough of us.

Well, it would have affected me if you had chosen to do it. I would have been ready to dumb hundreds of millions of ISK or probably hundreds of dollars in Real cash to make my little space home in EVE a reality.

For the futures sake CCP, and CSM's I hope you reconsider this course of action.

Thank you for listening, It's time I go back to lurking.

-Tal
M'aak'han
C-7
#763 - 2013-01-17 14:46:22 UTC
I've lived in NPC Nullsec (almost) without stations (Great Wildlands).
I've lived in WH space.
I've lived in sov Nullsec without a nearby station or outpost.

I'm considering starting an industry alt that will need POSes, but I'm holding back until THEY GET USABLE!!!

CCP, maybe few people use those POSes because they are crappy and outdated in the first place!???

I'm one of those, I've given up on POSes until they are fixed!
Just a few days ago, I was telling a guy who was prospecting on the test server how they were a pain to use, I don't know what he thinks now, but his first statement was like "WTF?!!" when he anchored the tower for the first time.

We NEED at least personal ship hangars, personal storage and proper rights management for each POS.

I'm supporting this thread.

Iris Bravemount
Golden Grinding Gears
#764 - 2013-01-17 14:47:04 UTC
I hereby express my sceptiscism about not revamping POSes.

Current POS mechanics are rather unappealing:

- Setting up POSes has been made shorter, but not more practical.
- The "modules floating in a bubble" design is just plain ugly.
- They are too cheap compared to what it takes to bring them down.
- Manufacturing out of a POS requires too much logistics compared to stations or importation.
- Current mechanics (POS gun placement) already allow "space penises" to be built, so no (additional) issue with a theoretical customizable modular POS design.

A POS revamp would be a huge plus to the game because:

- More appealing POS mechanics would lead to wider usage of POSes, in turn leading to easier life for small groups out of empire.
- Building one's own starbase is awesome. It could even be a simple thing, like a central structure with "fitting slots" to which one can add either multi-connectors (providing additional fitting slots) or structures (see Earth 2160 european dynasty bases).
- More awesomeness leads to more subscribers, leading to more money, leading to more staff, leading to more awesome. Circle of virtue.

"I will not hesitate when the test of Faith finds me, for only the strongest conviction will open the gates of paradise. My Faith in you is absolute; my sword is Yours, My God, and Your will guides me now and for all eternity." - Paladin's Creed

dslave
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#765 - 2013-01-17 14:47:40 UTC
+1 for fix. I dont know if this has been posted in here yet: http://eve-search.com/thread/391410-0/page/1
S1r DigbyChickenCaesar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#766 - 2013-01-17 14:47:52 UTC
Plz Fix da pos's
Bashar Hardin
Twisted Inc.
#767 - 2013-01-17 14:48:47 UTC
I am a wormhole dweller and, therefore, a POS manager.

I was excited to hear, many moons ago now, that a complete POS redesign was on CCPs radar.

I am now disappointed that this appears to have been shelved.

I like wormhole space. I think it's been a wonderful addition to Eve but I continue to live there despite of the POS problems.

I've left wormholes before because of getting the hump with POS management but I've come back. I'll get sick of it again in the future at some point I know. What happens then I don't know. What has helped with the frustrations recently has been the sure knowledge that CCP were on the case and really wanted to modernise POS'.
Now? Not so much.
Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#768 - 2013-01-17 14:48:55 UTC
Two step wrote:
I wrote a blog post about the summit, here: http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2013/01/i-am-small-portion-of-community.html

If you want CCP to work on the POS system, either by improving the current one or by starting work on the long awaited Modular POS system, post here.


WE WANT NEW POSSES

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Maven Einstein
The Y knots
#769 - 2013-01-17 14:49:15 UTC
Sedilis wrote:
Outrageous u-turn CCP!

Because of the terrible security on POS we w-space corp are forced to exclude large parts of the player base from our recruitment. When we explained this to Greyscale and Masterplan last March they could see this hits your bottom line.

We don't want the whole company for a whole expansion.

We don't even need a whole new pos system.

WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.

Please give us access control lists on Ship Maintenance Arrays!


Corp theft is at an all time high with wh corps or for that matter any corp that lives out of pos's. There is no reason for this. I can understand if the players are just ignorant and can't fend for themself, but to not have an option to prevent all this is flat out sure laziness from ccp to revamp the pos system. Why does one person have to have access to al indusry jobs to do industry out of a pos? PLEASE for the love of god fix the role system and access system for the pos's.
Bijata Dolinskaja
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#770 - 2013-01-17 14:49:20 UTC
Over the past few years I always planned owning a POS but got scared away because the current system is just one big mess which eats away a lot of time I could spend doing things I enjoy.

Revamp the POS!
Vxrasa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#771 - 2013-01-17 14:49:42 UTC
Please fix POS.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#772 - 2013-01-17 14:50:44 UTC
Do you know what's the elephant in the room (for modular POSes)?

Modular POSes were conceived when CCP figured that they could be filled up with CQs and other avatar content that improved the player experience of owing a POS over owing a pile of junk inside a bubble.

So no avatars = no modular POSes.

Pray so you get the functional overhaul now...

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#773 - 2013-01-17 14:51:19 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Borlag Crendraven wrote:
I'm seriously hoping that the dev who blurted out that brainfart that it only affects a minor portion of the playerbase is either getting sacked entirely or moved to handle something where they can't harm the game any further than already has been done. .


The dev that said that was CCP Unifex, the Senior Producer.

Yeah. We're that screwed.

Good god........ you would think that somebody that high up would have their finger on the pulse of the our community. Not good. Fix the POS's enough foot dragging and lame excuses.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#774 - 2013-01-17 14:51:32 UTC
I don't exist, nor do I use POS's and I'm 52 years old.

Two out of three of these statements are false...

X

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Domin Ique
Team Pizza
Good at this Game
#775 - 2013-01-17 14:51:45 UTC
We need POS improvements. WH'ers have been left out in the cold for far too long. We don't need a whole new POS system, just give us something new/different. Better security, better inventory management, T3 subsystem assembly at the bare min!
Marsha Mallow
#776 - 2013-01-17 14:53:20 UTC
Please reconsider the view that this issue is low priority for the players. POS management is by far one of the wost experiences this game has to offer. We've waited for years for some attention to be devoted to it. To see senior devs dismiss this as a minority issue undermines CCP's efforts to engage with the community, and quite frankly, makes you look foolish. It may appear on paper a minority issue affecting a small number of players, but POS affect a broad spectrum of player related activity. It simply isn't as clearcut as the number of POS owners vs the wider playerbase.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Konatsu Miyamoto
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#777 - 2013-01-17 14:53:32 UTC
Please both fix the POS system and make it modular! It WILL attract more players! :D
Eshnala
TURN LEFT
#778 - 2013-01-17 14:54:58 UTC
Altho i never realy had to deal POS stuff myself, i feel that a POS overhaul is greatly need.

Especialy the idea of abandoning forcefields and removing it with the option for docking (a limited amount of) ships on it apeals greatly to me.
It would mean that you have to expose your titan or whatever other ship you want to hide in safety, but still gain from its usefullness in space to other players.
No more safezones floating in space!
Ran Koh
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#779 - 2013-01-17 14:55:15 UTC
I WILL BUY MORE ACCOUNTS IF YOU FIX POSES


POS = SUBSCRIPTION


POS2013
MainDrain
Applied Anarchy
The Initiative.
#780 - 2013-01-17 14:57:12 UTC
@CCP_Unifex Do I want a new modular POS system? No. Do I need to manage it easily? Yes. Please iterate - we've been patient! #tweetfleet

CCP Unifex ‏@CCP_Unifex
@RussellBarnes78 That's the key way to look at this.

This is a copy paste from twitter, and looks to be the first response to this issue from Unifex (i could be wrong and if i am i'm sorry)

This to me shows that although a whole new re-design would be bad in terms of the money and time required iteration and improvements of use is something that are happy with doing.