Jita Park Speakers Corner

CCP would be insane to think that a POS revamp isn't necessary or that it would not bring new blood to the game. The system as it is now is completely unapproachable for all but the most insane player. This needs to change to be more accessible.

SLOPS may be a corp of only four, but that's still 100% interaction and “being touched by” a POS revamp.

Hell, the entire reasoning is circular since one of the key things about such a revamp would be to make more people interact with them. They're basically saying “we haven't achieved our goal before we start, so therefore we won't try to achieve it”.

As a wormhole dweller i wish to stop having to bash my head against these antiquated mechanics


at the very least give us a new module with a private hangar and item storage that is NOT m3 limited
that would solve a lot of wormhole headaches

they still need a total rework....but some iteration is absolutely required

Every time a goddamn POS goes skynet

Every time a logistics director burns out

Every time someone like me wants to set up a POS but decides it isn't worth the effort.

that's why a "small section of the community" uses POSes - I'd love to but I'd rather shoot myself in the face. fix that ****

I don't use POS's personally at this time but hope to in the future. However; I do know that they need fixing.

I like how the reason for not fixing them is because "not enough people use them".

I wonder why no-one uses them

Note that the "small section of the community" just happens to be the most masochistic of EVE players.

I know we have the CSM etc, but CCP can you please select a small number of people who have to use and manage pos's on a daily basis.

4 people at most.

Please include some of us who write code for a living so because we have an understanding on the difficulty in implementing specific features.

Some of us could write most of the code and story cases you need, and all you have to do is make some new graphics and modules,
We get its going to take a while, that's why some of us have been deterministic patient.

We don't want to break existing things, so how about we build a new system, that doesn't touch the existing code.
It may borrow the fuel mechanics and may use the existing anchor based defence system. these how ever will be recoded and bug checked and have test cases written before committing... they would also be implemented modularly so they can be changed easily at a later date.

Done right we would be mostly happy with starting with a limited feature set that accomplished a basic set of goals, and then over some time and possible refinement, new features could be integrated.

I have to agree with a number of people I know in that a whole new iteration that immediately replaced existing pos's is going to be totally broken or is going to be the complete opposite of what people had in mind.. and if you thought burn jita was bad, I really don't think you'd recover from the unsubs, because the unsubs would mostly be the people you determine to be enablers.

It was stated in the dev blog where you talk about your plans for 2013 and beyond, you mentioned that you wanted to touch on themes that would affect all players. I think that poses would be a good place to start.

From here you can see that your plans from 2013 include changes to sovereignity, poses, PVE, balancing and exploration. Yet in the minutes it was stated that because such a small player base uses poses, they were earmarked as a large priority.

Could it be that the playerbase that know's about poses is so small because it is so counter intuitive and an extremely large PITA. A revamp to poses could affect Sovereignity, pve content, as well as ship balancing (boosters inside the pos, being forced to always have a pilot inside of a supercapital). As a bonus, you create player driven exploration where you go around looking for poses that are not fueled properly or go exploring for capitals outside of pos shields. This could also be tied into 0.0 to give some small gang objectives (destroy and loot enemy pos modules, steal refinement products etc.)

On top of this, people use poses in high sec, lowsec, 0.0 and in wormholes. So literally every single type of player can potentially be affected by this.

+1 from me. Do the POS thing please.

Seagull and Unifex would do well to walk a mile in our shoes before condemning us to another 4 years of Soon(TM).