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+1 for modual posses

I've been playing this game since 2007. The first thing that drew me to this game was POS's. I liked the concept of owning your own slice of universe.

Ive been in all types of space high, low, null, & WH for extended amounts of time and I always felt affected by POS's one way or another.

This is a game mechanic that needs to be updated. Its been sitting broken for far too long.

I think in order to make it feasible for a modular pos system is starting with a core. Have it co exist with the current system.

Core will be simple, plain, boring and minimal functioned to all the things it could do in the future. Something to start with something for players to start messing around with and start working on in ensuring that market is stable and sparking overall interest and ideas. Installable now, acnhorable now and will not require that much 'coding' now.

Tie a new skills system into it, call it station management, even make them racial if you want. Have the core have its own CPU and GPU and skills to effect. While modular and 'customizable' you will limit how far they can strech that still.

A private floating fortress of solitude that anyone could find eventually.

Then as expansions roll out and things go along, get the code working and begin to add add more modules types. Even if the art engine cannot support it yet it can always be added on later, as we did it with the missile launchers I can expect the same can be done eventually for these cores.

Links, Computer, Reactors, Power Coupelings, Industry Slot +, Sinks, Shields, Weapons, Gantries, Special Functions

Once the code is functionally workable then you can continue to add more sizes in the future, medium, meant for corporation functions, large for allaince only sort of deals.

Make the new station as a whole perform better than the pos, let the old system get obsoleted over time. That way retirement of the old star bases would be easily done people would most likely already flipped over to the new system and flipped over by then.

In the mean times make as many 'cost effective' fixes to current systems as possible. Make thier lives easier and more manageable.

Overal Goal:

Make player owned stations no longer a minority, but something of desire majority and affordablility and scalable to thier play styles.

Plant a Seed, Nuture it and let it grow in this sand box, it may take many months but apple tree's do not grow overnight.

I will say this. The reason why POS owners may be a minority is the desire is easily defeated by the daunting task. I am one such person I had in possesion of a gallente tower for the longest time and I have honestly no idea where to start with it or even what to do with it. So in my hanger it sits with fuel ready and no purpose.

The community as a whole seems to find and latch on to one little nugget said by one person and make supernovae out of white dwarves. Starbases are a relatively small part of the Eve experience, even though many players and groups utilize them (T2, Drugs, Wormholes, to name a few). It is entirely unreasonable to expect the whole of CCP's development staff to focus on a rework of the starbase system to push out modular starbases by this summer. Provided work is started on them by at least one team, I am satisfied with that, and that seems to be the case based on the CSM minutes and CCP's subsequent responses in this thread.

I for one am wholly thrilled with the idea of modular starbases, and look forward to seeing them introduced and replace the current logistical debacle that is the present iteration of starbases. In short, the community as a whole needs to approach a subject with calm and tempered rationale, critical thinking, rather than falling in step with groupthink. I have to admit, I was pretty pissed when one of my associates gave me the "brief summary." However, it took me all of five minutes of reading the initial thread as well as Dev responses to calm down and compose myself to discover the whole truth of the matter.

As long as modular starbases are being worked on (finally, after several YEARS after being proposed and supported immensely by the community at large via "flogging the dead horse"), I am satisfied with that response. For now. Time will tell what sort of direction CCP will take, and I will very likely re-evaluate my position based on the direction that is taken. However, I will not succumb to the drama, and I urge the rest of the community to abandon their drama llamas as well. Drama solves nothing and only creates friction and dissent between the developers and the community.

+1 for Modular POS's

I like this idea -- give us one, two or three new POS modules every month in the new system. Start with the core and grow it up. Maybe even make it invulnerable (the intial core) until we have enough modules out to properly defend it (e.g. until guns, shield, ecm, etc. are ready).

I support a POS revamp.

I also think modular POS should be a focus for several expansions. I don’t just want you to improve a few flaws of the current POS system but I want you to create a whole new modular POS concept.

Most of the modules should have to be linked to each other and not just float in space. It has to be like LEGO. Every module should only have a minimal specific purpose and not multiple purposes. (For example: you would have to combine like 3 different modules to get one assembly line to produce Frigates. You would need other modules to provide input and output storage.)

POS should have the following abilities:

• Cloak
• Jump Drive
• Captains Quarter
• can be anchored anywhere in the system
• can be owned not only by a corp but also by a player
• Links for the different modules but also links to connect two POS
• Cyno Generator (not depending on Sovereignty but with restrictions regarding the amount of ships that can jump to it per hour)
• many separate forcefields (not covering the whole POS but only certain areas)
• maybe a market
• all the other abilities of the current POS

Above that you would have to redefine the difference between a POS and a station. I think you should remove abilities from Stations and give them to POS. The future purpose of NPC stations should be solely to provide an indestructible place to store and trade items. Especially manufacturing and research slots should be removed from NPC stations. T1 manufacturing should be possible everywhere. T2 and T3 production should not be possible in high-sec. All kinds of research should only be possible in null-sec and wh-space.

Generally speaking there should be two types of POS:

On the one hand it should be possible for large alliances to create a modular POS with huge offensive and defensive capabilities. It should be capable of withstanding the siege of a typical large null-sec blob for some time. Such a POS should be visible to everyone. It should be a threatening bastion. It should be possible to effectively use it as a forward operating base. It should be possible to link it to smaller POS providing some defense to them as well.

On the other hand it should be possible for small groups and solo players to create a modular POS whose only defense is the capability to hide.

I’m a member of an alliance but I’m mostly a solo player who likes manufacturing/research/trading. This is how I would like to use a modular POS: I would build a POS for invention. The POS would use a cloak for defense. It would also have a jump drive and a reinforce mode module.

The cloak module would cloak not only the POS but also every ship which is close to the POS. To find a cloaked POS a hostile player would have to probe a ship which is warping to the POS shortly before the ship lands (and gets cloaked) or shortly after a ship left the POS. Alternatively the hostile could simply get a POS-bookmark from a spy. Above that null-sec alliances should simply be able to access a list with every POS within their space including a bookmark for each POS. In NPC null-sec it should be possible to buy a bookmark from the NPC. In NPC null-sec the POS owner would have the option to pay “protection money” to the NPC monthly. The amount would be totally up to the POS owner. However, to buy a POS-bookmark from the NPC a hostile player would have to pay like 10 times of a monthly payment. Also maybe the hostile player would have to know the name of the POS owner to buy the bookmark.

I would choose NPC null sec for my POS because if **** hits the fan I could still use the jump drive to escape (in contrast to wh-space) and I wouldn’t have to bother with politics or possible spies (in contrast to Player null-sec). If someone manages to find my POS and decides to harass me by reinforcing the POS I would have two options: I could defend the POS or if the hostile group is too large I could initiate an emergency jump (a normal jump wouldn’t be possible during reinforced mode). An emergency jump would cause a certain percentage of industry jobs to fail (maybe 4% of all manufacturing jobs and 30% of all research jobs). Also all items which are stored in the POS would get damaged to a certain degree or maybe some would get destroyed. Or maybe a certain percentage of items should simply drop as a reward for the attackers.

All in all it would be playing hide-and-seek with players who want to harass me. It’s important that it’s possible to harass me but it's also important that I can evade harassment to a certain degree.

This was just an example for a solo / small group industry usecase. I'm sure you can come up with interesting ways to use a POS for other types of players as well.

POSes affecting or not a small portion of the playerbase is up to CCP; do they want to keep them limited to the roles they have now, as corporation assets? Or do they want to enable small players or even individuals to own them?

I'd love to have my little sation in the middle of nowhere, with a few stealth modules so I know it's my (relatively) safe haven.

Please CCP, make those modular POS a reality. Either that or fix the current ones.

If you do, I promise to be naughty.

Very.