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Also a quick question over the CCP vs CSM favoritism that seen to come up over the EVE-Uni botting scandal.

Do you think its fair, that Sreegs punished one member of the CSM so harshly but allows Darius III to still play the game, even with his obvious bad thread he posted. Or do you just see bots being more annoying then bad threads.

Also Sreegs promised to treat CSM as normal customers, so why hasn't Darius been straight up banned already, then forced to go through monotonous petitions, and rejection after rejection, to just tell someone who cares, that someone shouldn't be banned for a bad thread.

I hope that if I do vote for you, you will help bring justice and understanding between us normal players, CSM and the great CCP.

Last thing first. I laughed when I saw the phrase 'normal player'. You are a political player . . . you are in the meta game. So am I but we are no longer 'the normal player'.

As for the main question I think we are comparing apples and oranges. Darius III is literally doing nothing. It is very hard to ban somebody for being what he is, lazy and a troll. If you read the summit minutes you can see that the CSM has TRIED to get powers or get Xhagen to exercise powers to remove the deadwood from councils. I found the worry that such powers might be abused to be a weak one.

So do I wish the deadwood could get cut out of the CSM? Yes. Do I think there should be a performance agreement along with the NDA? yes

Sreegs seems to act on what a player DOES, not what has not been done.

Will I bring justice? I am not Batman. Again, when CSM fought to change the laws about slackers the community outcry of them 'just wanting to talk about themselves' was huge. Too many people miss the point that we need the rules, the laws in place so that folks KNOW what happens when you cross certain lines. AND so CCP knows how to handle the cases and it becomes How Things Are Done and not 'what Sreegs did this time'.

did I answer your question?

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What member of the CSM did Sreegs punish?

I don't want to make you sound like a troll. Its just that the information out there is imbalanced. You posted times where (minor) infractions one could say were made, but the supporters of Sreegs, never told any good stories really.

Sreegs supporters just stated, Sreegs said so, so they are satisfied.

Sreegs said sunlight was the best disinfectant, but his supporters don't really follow him.

I am just saying I think Sreegs is cool, but go to some sites, they just say he is pro goons, other sites, show smaller wrongs. then other sites, just say sreegs made the decision so its the best one, but they don't offer any insights to what sreegs is like, or why they believe him so much. (Perhaps Sreegs, really pwned people during his goon era, why everyone trusts him so much, I don't know.)

I don't really want to make this a big issue, all I am saying is that it seems easier to get the negative press of Sreegs, and no real good press for him at all. I only say that, since Sreegs was annoyed by how much trolling the players were doing. But how can you blame them, if all the info only makes you want to troll?

Alright, went the hard road, and learned how to read, and tried to find some more information.

I did find enough that pretty much satisfied me. Found this Youtube Video of a security presentation from fanfest 2001. At least I can see why people would take him at his word now.

I also found this tidbit from the forums from someone he sees often and works with him. For a human relations and trust viewpoint.

"CCP Sreegs is more of an intern than anything else."

-CCP Soundwave

Oh how the trolling never ends, for the poor security chief.

The point that was hardest for me really to get to was the trust issue, with how delayed a ban can be, or bots detected and stuff like that. Like Riverini is usually angry at that, and he posts bot stuff, that only makes CCP angry. It is a weird cycle to watch really.

But I thought the second speaker in the video hit it really how some bots or attacks work. They look for where you are weak or ignorant then choose that to attack. So it would first take time for CCP to detect a new bot or attack. Take time to find it or what hole or exploit it was attacking. (Maybe even create new methods or tech to help discover and such) Then find a good way to stop it as well as implement a patch that hopefully doesn't open more loopholes for another attack. Seems like it would take quite a while to take down a well designed bot or attack, or one that attacked or used a sensitive part of the software or programming. (Especially with how much CCP complains about changing legacy code and stuff like that)

Like the case I discussed was the eve uni botter. He used the in game browser to set up his bot type work. Who would think of that? And since not too many people would think of that, CCP might never check it often, or think to check it. Or how long would it take for them to find out what exploit he is using to grab and manipulate market info. Sounds pretty annoying really, as well as time consuming.

I think the problem I had with the story really, is that I always used mainstream programs for the devilish work really. And since they were mainstream and already popular, didn't really feel you would be using an exploit or hitting someone where they could be weak at, which would make it hard for them to stop or, really wouldn't be too fair for me to use that program. Also why it was weird to think it would take time to stop them, with how easy or mainstream they were, seemed like it would only take a day or two if that in order to stop one.

Just the idea that writers of bots, could actively search out exploits and weak areas for a bot to work, as well as write the bot program ( The area I would mostly focus on really, programming cool) is kind of mind boggling for me really.

But oh well, good luck to sreegs and the rest, would be really hard, but at least they got years underneath then, as well as a sarcastic friend to push them through the hard times.

(Its also a nice layer or security check Sreegs forgot to mention, the Soundwave one, where you mess up on the job, most likely your gonna get **** for awhile perhaps.)

Come back to check on the thread, and it's one guy talking to himself. Not sure what bots, the security team, or anything else has to do with the CSM.

The new voting system has been announced.

My appreciations go firstly to the 1 vote per account rule and the 2 weeks voting time, issues I have previously spoken for.