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Actually I have.

If the CSM decides on the chairman, it would require me for example to by out enough votes for me to gain election to the CSM as well as buying the votes of 7 more members of the CSM to get elected to chairman.

So not really viable.

As to someones epeen, frankly I think if some one wanted it just for the title this would show up if they took some time to decide on the chairman as I said about 2 weeks should do it.

Lets be blunt the only reason people would argue for the right to vote for the chairman would be if they stood a reasonable chance of it happening for their alliance (or future party).

At the moment all this will lead to is the Voting of a TEST or Goonswarm member to the role of chairman and it will be harder for the CSM to shake the fact that in the past it has looked like a Null sec lobby group.

The ability for the CSM to select the best person for the job is the only way that it can move beyond being perceived as a hopeless cause for the majority of EvE

This discussion should be about what is best for the CSM, not what feeds the ego of one alliance or group.

One other thing I would like to add is that with CCPs new Theme based expansions I can see parties forming to actually push one specific theme. It would actually make things quiet interesting.

Ok what I was implying was that unlike at the moment where Goons vote for Goons ect.. Instead of a candidate that comes forward and goes I will stand for this, you have a party formed that then chooses the best candidate or candidates with the basis of what they would like to be done and what they would not like done.

and yes diversity does help, I will not argue that. What I am saying is that with themes hopefully parties will form rather than the current mishmash of voting to create powerblocks which stand behind their "Vision" of eve, rather than candidates who believe in fix POS, fix Null and put ponies in space for example but having a group figure out a full theme that they would like implemented that covers all areas of EvE or the majority and run with that idea.

There are enough smart people in EvE that if they formed a party with a theme, I am sure they could even prepare a professional business plan to CCP to show how it would increase their player base and show them the approximate amount of extra revenue they could receive.

I was not saying the CSM should be one party as that is exactly what I am against, I don't like the idea of a Null sec lobby group or a high sec lobby group being the CSM.

The CSM is the voice of the people and like a voice it must listen to the people and communicate the peoples thoughts.

EvE is full of nuts and brilliance, so why shouldn't CCP shake the nuts and use the brilliance.

I suppose that to me the idea of a party with a theme appeals to me more than people who vote for a candidate because their alliance leaders told them too.

One of the biggest problems I am perceiving from within my nutty brain this season is the number of candidates who seem to have a plan(If your lucky) for their part of EvE, but don't seem to get that the game is actually interconnected to the other parts.

As I posted elsewhere the fact I post on these forums makes us a minority to start with and so maybe these one dimenension sales pitches are what the majority of EvE want to see in a CSM candidate but frankly I am finding some of the candidates this year to be well, boring and not communicating anything at all in their threads.

But as I said we are the minority.

Oh and please do another voters guide this year, last years was actually helpful, unlike a lot of what I read during the elections

I'd agree that parties being made more viable due to themes won't really happen. As mentioned the election is done well after themes are in place.

I tried to create a party last election and I've pretty much decided with the current voting system it is a non-starter. If you really wanted to do it you'd need to do an independent gathering of consensus around some core values, vet some potential candidates internal to the party, then run that candidate once the elections begin. Basically make your own bloc ahead of time and pick someone.

What I found was I certainly wasn't able to do that, maybe someone else could pull it off.

As to trying to pick who to vote for going forward:

- I'd want someone that understands software engineering
- Someone that has played Eve enough to be able to have opinions supportable with direct experience
- Someone that that can be flexible enough to realize the folks you will work with in the CSM likely have different experiences and all the different backgrounds of the CSM members is what makes a better CSM for helping to keep Eve healthy. Eve is too large a game for a single CSM member to understand (or even care) about it all
- That isn't trying to be a game designer
- That seems to be committed to put in the time to really participate

I'd want someone that has been active in some form communicating with the greater Eve community, forums, blogs, in game activity or otherwise. Although there could be some great candidates that are "new to the scene" that we may never have heard of I think it is riskier to back someone who really can't be verified as effective in Eve in some past manner.

I see some interesting candidates for CSM 8 already and look forward to see who else emerges as the elections progress.

Also, take voting guides with a grain of salt, both when voting and especially when running...

Issler

Actually Two Step and Hans are theme candidates or party candidates.

Or course Trebor and Issler would not like theme candidates since they were not that type of candidate. Of course with them seeming to like individualistic quality I can see why trebor pushed the voting changes. Of course it is surprising he doesn't share frying dooms fear and paranoia though. Especially with how dark he paints CCP being with game features and such. Its almost making me paranoid and such.

Kelduum may not have been the most visible CSM in public, but he did more than his share of work behind the scenes.

Might explain some of the "the CSM has no hi-sec representative" comments.

To be honest does any one out side of the CSM and EvE Uni know what he did this year?

Trebor is using the old, rather outdated metric of "actual work done" rather than the modern "forum drama caused".

my only suggestion regarding the voting process would be to let players vote, not their characters. However i realize that there are technical issues regarding this and it may not be possible enforce that.

after all, even in RL you don't receive an extra vote for each of your children which is not yet allowed to vote by itself.

It should come as no surprise that Veritas is (more than likely) going to implement his Schultz system. He's had a hard-on for it since the Summer Summit. It should come as no surprise that it would be implemented this late in the game, when the time period for public comment is far too short.

As long as he's implementing the system as described, then I'm cool with it. If he's doing some modified version ... then I'm not so cool with it. (And how would be ever know?)

The entire voting results should be released after the election (anonymous). These can be run through a verified version of the voting algorithm and the playerbase can ensure the results are as expected. Releasing all the votes (each vote not linked to an actual voter) is not an NDA issue. It's simply an issue of transparency.


And if CCP feels this new voting system is a replacement to spending any time educating and advertising these elections further to the playerbase ... then they are dumb. :)