Jita Park Speakers Corner

It is pretty obvious from these notes, and previous threads, that Trebor spends a great deal of time plotting to grant himself more power in the CSM, and to ensure those he dislikes have less.

Oh boy, reap it baby.

Confirming this, and he wont stop until he has dissolved the senate, completed construction of his Death Star and has wiped out the rebels at their hidden base.

The regional governors will have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line.

This is skewing the conversation quite a bit. Some of us were quite adamant that the CSM should NOT be a place to vote each other off the island. Your restraint has been commendable, TIA for not using this as an opportunity to go against your better judgement just to prove a point.

In addition - it should be noted that "spent a lot of time" is incredibly hard to measure based on the minutes. Not only do different authors use differing amounts of detail, but some sections are heavily NDA edited. To put it bluntly, page count and minutes-length do not correlate very well to time spent on a given subject at the summit. To claim such is to mislead.

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to get elected to the CSM is insignificant next to the power of the Jägerbomb.

While I completely agree with the CSM's "no darius's" ideas, I'm not really thrilled at the constant attempts to make sure there are as few 0.0 alliance reps as possible. The current CSM had broad representation, but Trebor's constant refrains against 0.0 voting power appear to be gaining credibility the more he repeats them despite the clear diversity of the current CSM.

I'm enjoying the star wars references, even if they don't contribute to your argument at all.

Just wanted to make sure I had this quoted for later.

That would be true except for the fact that CCP is paying real money to fly us to Iceland, as well as spending real time talking to us. My view is that CCP should make sure they are getting their money/times worth.



The changes to the rules would do very little to "suit ourselves". Kicking off inactive people helps CCP, and I guess it would slightly help in that we would have more people to write summit minutes.

As I said in the minutes themselves, (page 33)


and later on (page 34):


I have no problem with organized groups outperforming unorganized ones, I have a problem with spoiler effects. That was, and is, my only objective with voting reform.

With that being said, I think that having a broad representation is super important for the CSM to be useful to CCP. A CSM made up of all nullsec guys (or all highsec guys, if they were forced to vote or something) would be much less useful to CCP or the players.

For this summit. This does not account for the previous one where the same things were discussed. Or the hilarious meltdown of a thread where the CSM (Trebor) proposed a new system to limit the power of null blocs. So in all told, the CSM has spent far too much time debating ways in which they can somehow either disenfranchise voters, play survivor in space, or somehow force unpaid volunteer consultants to do more unpaid work.

CCP doesn't deserve anything from the CSM, and I find arguments to that effect misguided. They derive far more value from unpaid consulting than they spend on 7 plane tickets and hotels in Iceland. They are coming out far ahead, recognize that fact.




I would agree, if not for the fact this keeps occurring. The debate should have been over already, yet it is not. If what you say is true, why does this keep occurring? If you keep insisting on members of the CSM steering summits to topics such as how to limit the power of player votes, and specifically null-sec, the CSM and CCP should expect a response.