Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Is that, what's worth commenting?


Unless I'm doing it wrong, a Hob is 15 points of damage, a Hammer 24, an Ogre 48.
Algos (35) : 3*15+2*24 = 93 vs 5*15*1,25 = 93.75, a net 0.8% increase.
Vexor/Prophecy (75) : 2*48+2*24+15 = 159 vs 5*24*1,25 = 150, yielding a net nerf of 6%
New Myrm(100) : 4*48=3*48+2*24 = 192 vs 180, yielding a net loss of some under 7%

So I'm not trying to get a damage buff to myyyy prescioussss.

At a MINIMUM, Gallente drone bays should be able to hold at least another flight of drones. Too often in a fight you have to warp out, and if you're only using drones for meaningful dps, then you're leaving lots of your dps on the field when you warp out---especially if those drones are SLOW Heavy drones.

So now that we're up to battlecruisers do we have an ETA on when faction cruisers stop being worse than their t1 variants?

Oh and the pirate cruisers.

The Phantasm is in a cruel state -- it ALMOST works but not quite, just enough to get us to waste lots of time tyring to find a way. It could be the coolest cruiser in game IMHO however it can't do anything productive except be bait. And bad bait that dies fast. It needs a massive powergrid increase so it can actually manage a good fit without dropping a bil on faction and deadspace modules. Not to mention a spaceship could do with a capacitor bigger than the 470uF the likes of which are used to filter DC on small electronics. What would make it awesome: a bonus to active tanking that let it tank 400dps or so without unreasonable pimping, enough cap that it could do with a single cap booster, room for a med neut with heavy lasers and SPEED. You know I read somewhere that shield ships were supposed to be fast but there's one that's slower than an armor battlecruiser so maybe look over the original design file -- the Nightmare can fit the biggest of everything and still have 2 or 3k pg left it makes me believe somebody might've missed a comma when they transcribed the phantasm specs into the game.

The Ashimmu is worse than useless. It doesn't need to be fast I suppose but you know being able to get cruiser-level dps AND tank wouldn't hurt. As it stands it has no dps to speak of and no tank which don't let it do anything with its neuts because it just dies so quickly or can't kill the enemy fast enough before help arrives. Given the curse and rapier are obviously so much better individually the only thing the ashimmu can possibly do is serve the solo player so PLEASE ungimp this beautiful ship. Another low slot (or two even) and decent pg to be able to fit a tank and heat sinks at the same time.

Vigilant needs 20% or so more dps to keep up the edge on the thorax. It's a 400m cruiser for crying out loud it should hurt like 4 pedestrian cruisers all at once.

Come to think of if since you already did frigs such a long time ago take a look at the succubus as well. It's in such a sad state I don't even know where to begin.

It feels wrong to me that new ships keep getting added while there are so many cool ones that have been broken for such a long time. OK the T3 bcs were awesome, the mining frig also for people who like that, but 4 new t1 destroyers? Seriously? I couldn't even learn their names yet. Furthermore they're cheap pedestrian crap on a game with, I don't know, 50 or so different ships costing 1M or less I seriously doubt 10 people outside of CCP know the names of all the T1 frigates. Where's the proverbial "end game" of subcapital combat left when a 20M frigate is worse than a 2M one and a 200M cruiser can manage less of a proper fit than a 10M one?

Please Lord give us our pimped ships and let we fly onto combat to defend Your name one-to-ten against infidels in equal footing and let we defend Your honour because You giveth us our deadspace glory and let us be enourmous targets among men to draw the good fights upon us so that we may die and consume isk for You and have mercy upon our sensors and keep the jamming devils away, amen.

* The opinions stated on the above post do not reflect those of its author. Even if they're blatantly wrong that's entirely intentional.

Lol a faction cruiser winning 1 vs 10 is not what we want (or at what I don't want) and just goes against the whole point of tiericide. Yes, faction cruisers should be better than their T1 (As opposed to T2 which should only be better at 1 particular thing, i.e. specialise), but we don't want another Tengu scenario.

Phantasm does need a lot of work since it was weak even before tiericide (25 drone bay, better cap, better speed and possibly 1 extra low to either fit a TE or a nano). Vigilant on the other hand is fine. And the point of the Ashimmu isn't DPS. In fact most of the Pirate Cruisers (and faction crusiers) IMO just need their speed buffed to be on par with their T1 Hulls and Fitting slightly buffed (except for the Angel line, please don't buff them).

neuting AHAC Ashimmu Disagrees

These Figures would be well under the current setup. In order to get close you would need the following
Algos: +15% drone bonus/level, 25 bandwidth, 50m3 bay.
Current 184.14DPS 5 Light 12.5% 160.8DPS 5 Light 15% 173.25DPS

Vexor/Prophecy: +20%, 50/100
Current 314DPS 5 Medium 12.5%/Level 257.4DPS 5 Medium 20%/Level 316.8DPS

Myrm: +30%, 50/100-125
Current(New) 380DPS 5 Medium 15%/Level 277.2DPS 5 Medium 30%/Level 396DPS

I have to second a lot of what's already been said

• Cyclone does NOT need split weapons. Swap out a turret slot for a missile hardpoint.
• Ferox should be in line with the Merlin and Moa; give it a damage bonus rather than a range bonus. Naga already snipes
• Both Gallente BCs don't need an active armor tanking bonus. Active armor bonus pales in comparison to passive armor resist bonuses
• The viability of a PvP shield Hurricane is more or less gone. Why not swap out a low for a mid to keep it nice and flexible, like the good Minmatar ship it should be?

Just my 0.02 ISK.

So, I'm open to the fact that I'm doing it wrong here but in my mind the Ferox is completely underwhelming. To put it mildly. Theres not one role this ship fills that another ship cant do as well or better.

Blaster? Good luck with the fit, and you'll get smoked by brawler ships with damage bonus over range. Never mind that even if you did have a damage bonus you have one hell of a time getting any type of decent tank on once you get blasters fit.
Kiting? Sorry, this hull is too slow. You'll get chased down like a fat kid with a football.
Range? Naga please. Yes I know, large vs mediums here so rather apples to oranges but it all falls into the BC hull size.

PVP seems like a total whiff on this ship. PVE feels very similar as the Drake doesn anything the Ferox does it just does it better (Inside of....50k or so).

Now I want the Ferox to work. I wish it would work, damn I wish it would. But I havent found anything it does at least well enough to justify flying it. Every time I work up a good fit or a fun fit it ends up with some type of glaring flaw, whereas shifting to a different BC hull seems to give a more rounded ship.

I want to be told I'm doing it wrong, so please someone tell me how to get this ship to work well at anything besides being a hanger queen. I say all of this as I dont see the proposed changes dramatically altering the problems of this ship. You'll still play hell keeping your DPS high and fitting any semblence of a PVP fit (prop mod and tank), or you'll end up with a decent enough tank but gimped DPS. I think its going to take more PG to make this thing work.

But again, I'd love to be proven wrong as I'd like to see this ship work.

ETA:
Or give it a bit tracking speed bonus. Throw on a few tracking computers and get your medium blasters to track like smalls. That'd be fun as hell.

The Nag sucks, everybody who's ever flown a cap of any kind knows it, as its been a hard fought fact for about ....hmm...ok ever since it was released.

Firstly, Shield Cane is still perfectly viable. Two medium neuts while still having full-on dps and speed was too much. And as with the other Tier 2s 18 slots was imbalanced. The only thing I disagree with for the Cane in this current proposal is the cap nerf. Even without neuts shield canes use tons of cap as they are MWDing 80% of the time during any average fight, either to avoid tackle or to keep range from other BCs that can outbrawl it. I think the capacitor nerf for the cane should be removed as it not only impacts shield cane but hurts any attempt at active armor tanking it (assuming the rumours about medium armor repair buff is true).

Secondly, your proposal doesn't add flexibility, it adds mediocrity to both armor and shield fits. Armor fits losing a low would mean either less tank or gank for them. And 5 mids still won't allow the cane to outbrawl other BCs with a bonus to shield tanking, while losing the low would mean less gank, mobility or damage projection. You would end up being crappy in general.