Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have to say it is difficult to see much left of the unifying elements once key to each faction. It seems like, other than back story and racial appearances, the race of a ship is becoming less and less relevant, and key to the path chosen by the player which would seem to be a re-focus due to the upcoming dessie and BC skills changes.

With so much intermarriage of systems and bonuses, the races seem to look like this:

Amarr = lasers
Minmatar = projectiles
Caldari = not lasers or projectiles
Gallente = not lasers or projectiles

There's some homogenity lacking in the philosophies behind these ships and the origins leading to their conception and the strategies they use. It's like in the haste to finely tune the game and off the success of the frig and cruiser changes, some clarity of the racial heritage and focus has been diluted.

It is good to have a mix of weapons available to each race, but there needs to be a focus on retaining some semblance of the original racial hallmarks which what I always saw as something like this, although i invite others to contribute their's:

Amarr = slow, eveil lasers, badass armor tanks, and crafty cap manipulators (befitting of their pseudo religious, lightning-bolts-from heaven-style malevalence)

Minmatar = speed demons, low tech, low hp, high dps projectile nuts (befitting of their escapist, rebel, nimble, tribal heritage)

Caldari = puritanical shield tankers with a missile fetish, anda penchant for ewar (befitting of their perfectionist, high-tech obsession with corporate dominance)

Gallente = dronemasters, armor tankers, lovers of all things damp and disruptor. (befitting of a fleet designed to defend their mostly benign, humanist, love nests)


So, i don't think any ship by any one race should deviate too far from this philosophy. For example, it was nice to have a missile specific boat in the talwar for a change, but the cyclone as a missile ship makes no sense with the minnie style, nor does nerfing the hurricane's speed.
I still think rebalancing within these parameters is far from impossible.

changing my cyclone into a missile boat? what the **** ccp stop fixing what isnt broken cyclone was kickass the way it was... and now youre nerfing our tier 2 bc's??? great job assholes harbringer is a badass bc that youre killing by removing one of its guns all the changes youre making... its makign specialization pointless which is what new players are supposed to be encouraged to do

Try taking a closer look at the changes and then complaining about actual issues.

This thread, I swear. This thread.

Now I've had a look at all the details and run number myself, I have to say GOOD JOB FOZZIE!

Seriously, bringing the overall power of BC's down a little makes perfect sense. They all seem pretty balanced against each other and there are more options available to each of the races.

Ships that were poinless now have purpose and ships that dominated the battlefield have been broguht back in line with others. Maybe we will fianlly see doctrines based around other BC's, not just Canes and Drakes.

There may be a little more tweeking in order, but I think that will be best observed on singularity.

> Let me know what you think!

Y u is of **** the cane?

So wait, to make your argument work, you're pigeonholing the Harbinger into only being a sniper? And then saying I'm building the straw man?

Are you actually this stupid?[/quote]
once again straw man, i didnt say that the harb has to ONLY be a sniper ship, i said that is ONE way to take advantage of the new stats . . . Have you ever heard of the focused medium pulse laser? it does 90% of the damage of the HPL2 and costs WAY less powergrid; you want an easier time fitting your ship . . . try that.



No see, actually if you read what I wrote instead of trying desperately to defend your weak ass nonpoint, you'd notice i said the changes as a whole will make it the weakest BC.

You point out that a brutix for the worst which will after the change be one of the fastest BC's in the game.

Or did you not notice that little bit? And its new low slot....[/quote]
you mean other than the fact that it still needs to armor tank, and will actually be slower than all 3 of the 4 shield battlecruisers after just fitting a plate? or did you forget that plates add mass?

Or maybe you forgot that armor rigs slow you down? Or maybe you didnt see that the cyclone and hurricane start out slightly faster than the brutix BEFORE it puts a plate on . . .

Or maybe youre the one clinging to a sinking ship.

Drop Ferox range bonus and give damage bonus. Like a big Moa not a tanky low DPS Naga.

Thanks

Tanky Naga is what they're going for. I just don't see it, especially with Medium Rails.

Please never even consider removing the 5% resist on Ferox and Rokh. Its really what makes the ships even remotely good in the first place.

Luckily CCP recognizes this and stated in the BS balance devblog that they have no plans to mess with Rokh as it is a strong competitor to the Abaddon for shield tankers.

i dont know, maybe i misread it and i wasnt going to read through 37 pages to see if its been pointed out:

harbinger now has 6 lasers with a 10% damage bonus vs 7 with a 5% bonus.

7x 1.25% (25% bonus at rank 5)= the power of 8.75 lasers.
6X1.5% (50% bonus at rank 5)= the power of 9 lasers.

do the math

seems to me dps out went up, power consumption went down, cpu and power grid needs went down, cost of outfitting a ship went down by 1 laser and 1 crystal of each flavor. granted, its a small bonus, but less draw on my cap makes me a happier camper.



the grid and cpu get lowered, cause we dont need the extra laser. acceptable.
more drone bay so we can use 5 lights or 5 mediums... great!
armor got lowered, its a tad slower, a few minor tweaks...


lemme go back and reread it again to make sure i am right, but i think the harby is still a beast. maybe the armor got dropped a little...i can deal with that. 500 armor isnt THAT bad...less draw on my cap is a plus though!