Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Shield Brutix for PvP
Passive shield Myrm and active shield Domi for PvE.
Would possibly fly a shield Hyperion in a BS shield fleet.

...Satisfied?
And 3 of these 4 have an active armor rep bonus...

Disappointing changes to Gallente battlecruisers.

They require different bonuses. Perhaps if they received extra remote rep from fleet logistics while keeping the local rep it would work.

This also kills all hope of me seeing the Hyperion shine in fleet warfare, they'll probably give it the same treatment as the Brutix got.

CCP I'm terribly disappointed with you.

The Eagle gets double 10% optimal range bonuses for a total of 100% optimal range at max skills, making it an actual sniping ship.

Besides the fact that T2 ships haven't been re-balanced yet and therefore make for bad comparisons.

EDIT: Two 50% optimal, not the same as 100%, but you get the idea.

Amarr are actually more SP intensive to fly effectively than Minmatar for a new pilot. For one you can get away with only 3-4 in cap skills, as Amarr you need them maxed asap. Also you can skip Controlled Bursts skill completely as you dont use cap to fire, you can skip Sharpshooter for a long time because minmatar have a low optimal anyway and operate in falloff. Amarr cant skip Trajectory Analysis because it unlocks Tracking Computers. As for Amarr dont need shield skills comment that is just stupid. Their combat frigates cant really shield tank effectively (and even that is changed now since Tormentor can be somewhat effective kiter) and their battleship are armor tanked, anything in between can (and should if the need arises) be really effectively shield tanked. Harbinger has the same slot layout as Hurricane, and has more EHP than cane when shield fitted. Amarr has ships that have armor tanking bonuses but Minmatar have ships with shield bonuses, saying that Amarr are exclusive armor tanked is the same as saying Minmatar are exclusive shield tankers. And most importantly training skills for pvp shield buffer tank takes like 8 days with no implants.

As for missile skills you dont need to train them straight away just for a couple of ships, (or if you want them you can skip gunnery at start). New characters will have to make their pick, and for older characters training HAMS is not that big a deal. Amarr will also have to train them eventually for their T2 Khanid hulls.

Great i crosstrained Caldari/Minmatar (drake/cane) \o/

Prophecy: Bad change. The obvious change is to give it the same treatment you gave the maller and punisher. Armor resists + damage bonus was the "correct" way to do it. As a drone boat, it falls a bit flat. 75mb of bandwidth might as well be 50mb of bandwidth. The reason is simple, I can count the number of times I've used lights, mediums and heavies all at the same time on one hand. The number of times I've encountered others doing it is equally rare. There is a reason for that and it has nothing to do with a ship's bandwidth.

Ferox: As has been said many times, the optimal range bonus is silly given the presence of the naga. Change it to a 5% damage bonus and all is good.

Cyclone: Split weapons are bad m'kay. Additionally, it needs another midslot, not another low. Active shield tanking in pvp with only 5 mids is kinda fail. Yes people have found ways to work with it, but it really needs a 6th midslot to be competitive.

Harbinger: Looks like a buff tbh but I don't think it needed one.

Brutix: You can't active armor tank that thing without getting laughed at by the whole of the eve community. Just drop that silly bonus and give it a shield resistance bonus already.

i dunno... perhaps that 125 drone bay on the geddon will have a use after all...

like rate of fire bonus for lazors and damage/hp bonus for drones on an improved geddon

Yea, who wants a ship that can push out 600+ dps while holding a moderate tank right? This change owns, the prophecy will become one of the best BC's. Find the new EFT for it and start tinkering around a bit if you doubt me. Amazing doesn't begin to describe it.




No, its a net nerf, its slower, weaker, does the same or less dps in most instances, and generally the changes will enhance all the problems the harby ever had.

Not to mention it will be outright the lowest DPS BC of the bunch, coming in even below the 550 or so you can expect from a Cyclone post change. At least the cyclone will be able to get in range.



Everybody that says this didnt notice the great big glaring hint about armor tanking changes on the first page of this thread.

Harbinger loses 175 PWG and 25 CPU. With maxed skills those become 219 PWG and 31 CPU lost.
At max skills a Heavy Pulse laser II is 208 PWG and 28 CPU
At max skills a Focused Medium Pulse II uses 125 PWG and 23 CPU

The harbinger actually comes out roughly equal or even ahead because its using fewer turrets to do the same DPS (same DPS thanks to a better bonus). The Harbinger actually takes 14% less capacitor to fire its guns because it now uses 6 instead of 7. So nerfing the capacitor roughly balances out. Roughly. The harbinger lost a tenth of its base armor, if you single plate 1600mm that becomes 5% effective EHP. The Harbinger loses agility. You can now carry more cap boosters in the cargo. Now it can carry an extra flight of small drones. That's pretty good too.

The harbinger was only slightly nerfed as far as I can tell.

No one's forcing you to put turrets or even launchers on all the prophecy highslots. Or even to put any on it at all. Saying "goodbye neuts" implies that for some reason they will no longer work on the ship. Which doesn't make sense. Taking away a near-pointless bonus and giving it a useful one, while keeping the awesome resistance bonus and giving it more armor, makes the new prophecy so much better that its not even funny. If you're ewar support that would imply you don't need help tackling your prey. In which case 4 mids works perfectly well for an ad-hoc ewar hull. "make it one or the other". How about not? How about I'll keep 4 of each hardpoint and be able to put whatever the hell I want there? That sounds better to me.

I hope the tiericide comes with a nice new model for the Apoc, since the Megathron got an awesome hull update to make it look less lopsided. The Apoc just looks too silly.