Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello Fozzie.

I'll go down the list :

Prophecy :

This one is pretty good.

Enough PWG to fit what it needs to fit, plenty of lowslots, it should become a usable ship. Thank you for that.

Harbinger :

This one is pretty good too. Despite everyone thinking "He's nerfing the Harbinger, bwaaaah", I think it's a buff actually. Less guns, more damage, less cap usage, minor changes here and there.

The only wrong part is the CPU nerf. Harbingers are VERY HARD to fit, CPU-wise. I would get rid of that CPU nerf and even add 15 or so CPU. I'm serious about this.

Ferox :

I like the changes, but please. Please. At least switch the optimal range bonus to a falloff bonus or something. This bonus is just not usable right now.

I would buff the PWG a bit. Adding another turret to that ship means you have to add the PWG to fit it. +80 PWG would be fine. It would still be quite a tight fit, but that'll do.

Drake :

That's a tricky ship to balance.

I heard a couple months ago that the shield resistance bonus had to go in order to make it balanced. And I agree with that.

Now notice the trend :

Prophecy => Tanking bonus
Harbinger => No tanking bonus

Cyclone => Tanking bonus
Hurricane => No tanking bonus

Ferox => Tanking bonus
Drake => Tanking bonus

Brutix => Tanking bonus
Myrmidon => Tanking bonus

I think the Drake should lose his shield resistances bonus. I don't really know what to replace it with, maybe a range bonus or a ROF bonus, I don't really know.

Brutix :

I like the new Brutix. Maybe if you could change the active tanking bonus to either a 10% active tanking bonus, or an armor resistances bonus ? That would be kinda cool.

Myrmidon :

This Myrmidon is boss. Don't touch it, it owns.

Cyclone :

I like this Cyclone very much. It owns.

Hurricane :

I don't see why everyone's getting mad at this. Seriously, I don't.

Ok, it looses the ability to fit 2 medium neuts. Sure, it's quite a change.

But other than that, it's still a good ship.

Actually, if I had only one request to make about that ship, is that considering it will lose one of his utility slots, it should get some PWG back. That will re-allow the Armor cane fit (With 220mms). Just add maybe +60 or something, that'll do.

Currently I see two fits for that Hurricane.

The regular shield-cane still works, you'll just need either a +1% implant or a meta 4 LSE to fit it.

The armor-cane (if you add 60 or so PWG) will work once again, reaching 69k EHP while still having 622 DPS.

Overall, Fozzie, I do like those changes. Some tweaks are needed on the Ferox, the Drake and the Harbingers' CPU, but I'm sure you'll be able to fix that.

Looking forward to the battleship changes ! Please, post the battleship changes ASAP

YAY! I want shield amarr and galente


I like this man

0/10

meh,

Drake kinetic bonus needs to go, for a overall missile bonus.

Now that it's damage/range/tank/agility/and slots are nerfed, it would be nice to have 1 trick op it's sleaf.

It doesn't truly strike me as a through rework of former tier 1 and tier 2 battlecruisers. I do however very much like the EHP of the Battlecruisers coming closer to the current tier 1. Some things will have to be taken into consideration though:

Prophecy finally got a role different than the other Amarr gunships and it looks exciting.
As an added "bonus" the Prophecy looks suitable for a T1 command ship role provided it has enough cpu for 1-2 command processors and a few warfare links? I guess perhaps the 7th lowslot will be usefull for that role.

Harbinger looks pretty much untouched almost like it is the victim of having too many slots but didn't really seem overpowered in the first place. So CCP decided to cut a hi-slot and compensate with a 10% damage bonus instead of the old 5%. Basically the Harbinger went from having equal to 8,75 turrets to having 9,00 turrets getting less than 3% more dps.

The only real thing striking me is an addition of mass... The Harbinger is already super slow with an armor tank and this will really make it more cumbersome than many battleships. Instead I feel the Harbinger being the less tanky choice for Amarr should have better maneuverbility (more agility and less mass?)
And that cap bonus: wtf? I thought CCP realized how uninteresting the bonus is for most players... Most ships only need cap for guns due to passive tanking and as such most issues can be fixed by changing capacitor amount/recharge or let players use 1 of the four medslots for a cap booster? Why not give the ship something interesting instead?

Ferox got a damage boost with a 7th gun, however has basically lost all use as an exciting T1 command ship with no utility slots and only 5 medslots which has to host a shield tank. Im a little split between dissapointed and satisfied. The Ferox is not a bad ship today, however benefits from an underdog role. I still feel sad about missing utility slots and feel cheated for a regular damage bonus even if the extra gun gives a similar result... Also still wondering if a medslot would me more usefull compared to a lowslot...

Drake lost the utility hi-slot and nothing else seems changed much. Wtf no Caldari T1 commandships? and what happened to the promised bonus change? The Drake would be very interesting with RoF bonus and range bonus instead, but I assume CCP either want to review the missile changes first or were too afraid it would become too similar to the new cyclone. I personally think it is a shame to keep the resist bonus on Drake as it takes away something unique from the railgun line Ferox... Anyway I can't understand the lack of utility hi-slots for caldari ships. Do with the Drake like intended with the Harbinger instead?

Brutix is as always a fine ship however the amount of armor seems too little to make good use of armor repairers in pvp and both Gallente BC's sharing the same bonus just seems boring. If CCP doesn't want the Brutix flying mostly as a shield/gank ship I think this ship need less shield and more armor/structure. This will also help set it apart from the Myrmidon as I doubt the extra lowslot is enough for people to change their thoughts on active repping.
Also a shame not being able to fit warfare links on a ship with fitting roles...

Mymidon is pretty much also the same as before and though having a different aproach to dps seems pretty boring. I really thought CCP would take the oportunity to change Myrm into a better armor tanker with a more prominent structure and shields low enough to prevent nasty nasty ASB Myrmidons from obsoleting even truple armor rep Myrmidons... I do still think it is a shame to have the 2 Gallente ships sharing the same bonus, but the Myrmidon definitely host the bonus well and is a great option for a T1 command ship with plenty available hi-slots and medslots without reducing the combat performance much.

Cyclone and Hurricane looks great with a nice tweak on the Cyclone and both ships looking versatile, interesting and even usefull for command ships. IMO the Hurricane drone bay should be either 25 or 35 as it currently makes for a single near useless spare light drone or a weird mix of 1 medium and 4 light drones.

TL:DR

I like the Prophecy.
I like the Harbinger but the changes seems very artificial.
I think I like the Ferox, but still thinking about medslot and realistic options as command ship.
I'm dissapointed with the Drake as i believe a more attack oriented Drake would be more fun.
I like the Brutix, but feel the repair bonus should be evaluated closer.
I like the Myrmidon, but hoped for a more prominent tanking role seperated from the Brutix.
I like the Cyclone.
I like the Hurricane.

yeah and remove a few turrets from each of them

So minmatar pilot here, but doesn't a capacitor bonus mean you can use more cap demanding crystals that do more damage? -1 turret too with just a tiny DPS increase means that the Harby will be competing for versitility with the hurricane.

This to me just shows your disconnect with the game. Have you ever flown a minmatar ship where half of your hardpoints are dedicated to one ammo type (missiles) and the other to another type (projectile) . Yes I understand what you saying "BUT IT'S NOT A COMPLETE 50/50 SPLIT...) this is true, but when you have to choose fitting 5 of one type and 3 of another, then it is pretty dang close to a 50/50 split. Just because it is a 70/30 or 60/40 split doesn't mean that it still isn't a split platform. Seriously? And you are a DEV? No wonder your suggested remedies look like crap to most of the player base.

Rather than try to make the BC a less desireable class of ship, why not give this class a buff, similar to what you did with the Frigs/ cruisers? You are ruining the area of the game where the majority of your players play. BC class ships are the backbone of EVE. If you screw up these ships people will leave in droves, because they grow out of the frigs, there is nothing in between until they get to larger class ships.

Seriously and stop screwing up the cane!

Although the command links don't see regular usage on T1 BC's, they are a VERY VERY valuable and cheap way to provide warfare links for lower SP players and fleets. The issue in general with any fits involving warfare links has to do with the general state of warfare links right now, which is clearly screwed up.

Utility slots for these BC's to use that link slot is pretty important.

Dude. Keep calm, everything is going to be fine.

The Cyclone was a split-weapon platform. It is not anymore with that change. 5 launchers and 2 turrets aren't what I call "Split weapons". Just look at the Raven. It has 8 slots, 6 launcher hardpoints and a couple turret hardpoints. If I use your logic, the Raven is a split-weapon platform.

Same goes for the Tempest actually. 6 Guns, 2 launchers. Is that "split weapons" ? No.

And except for the removal of a single medium neut, the Hurricane is still fine. Just need to add like 60 or 80 PWG so it can armor tank efficiently too and it will be fine.