Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, I havent lost my cyclone yet, and like I clearly said, I dont have missile skills, so dont fly the missile boats..cause they ****. Unless your Caldari, then they awesome, witch I am not.

Myrm - Alright..
Proph - give it a 50 bandwith and a 12.5-15% damage bonus.. makes it more different from the myrm. Also i think it should have missiles.
Harb - I all around like the change, i think it might be loosing EVER so slightly more fittings than it should but i can't tell without efting.. Love the damage buff, and the ability to carry a extra flight of lights along with mediums but.. the greatest thing is the stealth cap buff! Now go and buff nos's so that i can skip using a ******* cap booster.
Ferox - Not sure how i feel about this..
Cyclone - I hate AC's so i like this.
Brutix - Seems alright?
Drake - Seems like it could be losing a bit more?
Cane - same as above?

These proposed changes are almost an irrelevance, even when just looking at BCs...

Want more DPS? Get a tier 3
Want more speed? Get a tier 3
Want more range for your DPS? Get a tier 3
Want to kite? Get a tier 3

Want more tank? Get a tier 1 or 2
Want to brawl? Still undecided on that one!

The gentle proposed nerfing of most tier 1 & 2s here may narrow the gap to T1 cruisers but the tier 3 gap has just widened a little. Surely tier 3s should also be adjusted at the same time as the "combat" BCs?

I'm solo / small gang pvp and can't find a good reason to fly any of the tier 1 & 2s (maybe the cyclone but will have to see how that pans out) over a tier 3.

I thought it was going to be changed to a straight damage bonus regardless of damage type. Was this discarded?

The brutix should have a resist bonus or a tracking bonus damage bonus would make it too OP

With the ease of access to t1 logi it would make it very viable small gang ship as it does no need the local reps anymore

i have a wet dream

second bonus for harbi: 10% tracking per level

Right. ISP, please excuse the rantish tone of this next little bit, I just honestly feel it needs to be said.

Such a lovely bunch of cry bables. "Oh, no the fit I've always used and am comfortable with is just going to be so fail with all these changes!" Christ, people, if the game doesn't evolve, it'll just stagnate! Even life is about change! Instead of crying over spilt milk, why not... *rephrases a thought* take a step outside the box, and start giving some thought to all the things you can do with the options and possibilities presented by these new BC changes!

Ok, done with the rant, now, on to my comments about this!
As someone who started out in this game as an Amarr pilot (first though upon initial reading about the game went along the lines of "Hmm... spaceships, the future... Oh! Lasers, woot!" lol)

Prophecy: I think that there's abit more that [could be done with it but overall I like it... and extra low slot means it will have an easier time with taking advantage of a drone damage aug, all those lovely high slots that don't beg to be weapon purposed means you have plenty of room to work with for warfare link mods as well... I wouldn't have minded seeing it with slightly lower drone capacity to pick up abit more bandwidth, but what is presented is most definately workable.

Harbinger: This was the first ship I bothered to fly once I finally admitted I couldn't solo an L3 Gurista's Extravaganza with a Navy Slicer (though damned if I didn't have fun trying!), and, overall, I like it. Only thing I'd prefer different (though it's definately NOT a bad thing as it is currently presented) is that I wouldn't have minded not getting that extra 25 to drone bay if it had meant not losing the armor ehp, otherwise, I love what I see... though I do agree that nerfing both it's ehp AND it's maneuverability is rather extreme... it makes it both even more hittable on top of losing out on it's ability to take the punishment, and as someone else mentioned, it never really had much of a tank to begin with (boo hoo, it's got abit less PG and CPU, get your fitting skills done already!), I am very excited about it's better dps potential and easier cap management!

Ferox: *shrugs* it's good it finally got that 7th turret slot, and, hey, it's abit tankier now... as for that second, hell, it's a Cald boat, what else SHOULD happen here?

Drake: Lulz to everyone who both constantly bashes the ship (of which I myself am delightfully guilty :P) and to those back in the day who used to cry it's tank and all made it too OP and it just had to be nerfed! Side Note: Can't wait to see this boat after you guys get around to putting through those oh so briefly mentioned tracking mod changes!

Brutix: This boat whether in fleet or solo pvp has never had any use for armor rep, and in pve the bonus isn't really that significant when you can just set yourself up a proper tank to begin with (6 lows is PLENTY to work with on that, after all) so I find myself overall in some small agreement to the tears over that... the flip side being, hmm.... just what COULD I do with it?

Myrmidon: always was the triple rep threat to be feared, especially solo, and, wow, guess what? Now it's potentially viable to handle that same crap with 2 reps? wow... that'd be nasty, essentially an extra low slot to work with!

Cyclone: Not much to say for this one, I'm afraid, just no real personal experience with it (but, golly, Sliepners are SOOOO sexy!)

Hurricane: after having seen this ship used as it currently stands to some rather uber effect, I find myself agreeing with the changes proposed to it completely (and look forward to using the new version myself as well).

In short, CCP, Devs, ISP, GMs... I may disagree with you (especially the GMs when I petition a ship loss, lmao) but overall, the real problem I've seen in this thread isn't these changes... it's the players (I honestly had to stop reading the player posts after page 8, repitition gets so tiring, and only skimmed over them in case someone official had something to say... needless to say, my expectations of not seeing such b/c all the material posted was SSDD turned out to be well founded) being unwilling to take a walk on the Wild Side!

Prophecy: Could turn out decent, but a lack of coherent good uses for the highs may prove to make this an unpopular ship; generally speaking though, a pretty decent boat.

Harbinger: Gains a little capacitor and cheapness with the reduced turret count, but loses anything it gained with a relatively weighty nerf to base HP.

Ferox: Decent DPS; the extra turret and low seems to give it that little bit of oomph it was still missing that left it a slightly unpopular choice even after the hybrid buff. I rate this a solid change; my only concern is that as underrated as the Ferox is currently these overall buffs to the ship could lead to it being too powerful compared to others. Perhaps that's just me.

Drake: The only real difference here is the loss of the utility high. Ever a very solid competitor I think we will continue to see Drakes the same as we have before; the power output of this ship (easily surpassing 700 DPS with heavy assaults) only serves to highlight the inadequacy of the Cyclone after the proposed changes.

Brutix: I was very disappointed as I read this to see that the repair bonus was not upped to 10% per level. While it gained a much needed low slot, the repair rate simply isn't enough to be competitive in any serious fight unless there are also major changes coming the way of local repairs. You might feel like the Myrmidon already has an excellent tank in comparison, but you must remember that the Brutix relies heavily on low slot damage mods for its damage output, while the Myrmidon can focus all its slots on pure tank. After the Incursus I was hoping for a 10% bonus across the board for the Brutix hull (and the Hyperion as well, which barely keeps up with the Megathron's active tank in practice). This kind of change will at least be sorely needed for the command ships to be viable whenever we get around to those.

Myrmidon: This is really a solid trade to the Myrmidon, already a very competitive ship, gaining another 25 drone bandwidth for a high slot. This makes me wonder what the Prophecy really looks like in comparison after the changes. All in all, not much changed for this ship.

Cyclone: With only 5 launchers and a mere 5% ROF bonus, this is not going to be a powerful nor popular ship any longer. The Sacrilege has +5/-5 bonuses to heavy assaults and barely attains the kind of damage you need to compete on a battlecruiser level; the Cyclone really needs at least 6 launchers with this type of configuration to be competitive; as it is here, despite my love of missile ships I would not be very interested in flying it.

Hurricane: seems like kicking it while it's down with the speed and shield nerfs. Not really sure how this will play out altogether; it's a very strong ship to begin with, and it's really hard to say what this huge number of small changes will tell towards in the end for this ship.

Please stop nerfing the cane.

It's now almost useless - the changes described will make it completely useless

CC

Cane is as dead as a dodo

Drake is boring (Drakes are boring anyway)

Ferox needs a 5% damage bonus for its guns