EVE General Discussion

Said the king of high-sec noob killing...

The "risk v reward" thing is complete and utter BS. If someone doesn't WANT to peeveepee, they won't unless driven into it (sound familiar), and let's face it: the "reward" in peeveepee is more often than not less than it takes to fit a ship, let alone buy new ones. That's why all these big, bad peeveepee'ers have high sec alts to generate their income IN HIGH SEC. The risk v reward thing is a joke.

If people WANT to get into peeveepee, they will. No amount of forum trolling by the Big Bads will change that; no amount of proclamations of null sec being empty (or not being empty) will change that; no amount of flowery, shiny corp advertisements from low and null-sec corps (and their egomaniacal FCs) will change that. There will always be people who demand this game be played THEIR way, there will always be people whose idea of fun is to gate came a low-sec entry point for hours on end, and there will always be people who prefer 10-one odds against a noobship to make them feel like their family jewels are the biggest around. EveO tends to breed these types (like the Big Bad noted above).

So let's cut the holier-than-thou prognostications of high sec podders who spend all their time, main or alt, in high sec. You want training: go to Agony Unleashed for their classes; waste your time in Eve Uni if you like the blob mentality. When you're done with Agony's top three classes, fit some frigates and dessies cheap, go to low, and pick some fights. Or join factional warfare (FW); I'd suggest Minmatar, but whatever floats your boat. You'll die. A lot. maybe war dec some loser in his own corp that ganks ships in high sec (or some other loser like James898834234). Just go do it.

*IF* you want to. Play your game. Don't play THEIR game.

I've never understood people who play an MMO but don't want to play against other players.

Games are just more fun with and against human opponents. It's always been like that, from the ancient times when first games were invented to today, where games are so wonderfully complex and deep that they can be called virtual universes.

I like my universes full of humans.

NPC starter corps are indeed in need of a revamp. Out with the evernoobs, in with tutors. Currently they are the main cause of new players quitting. EVE needs a new sect of ISDs, volunteers who provide real player-driven content in starter corps, moderate the corp chat and give correct guidance to noobs.

Meanwhile, best I can think of is starting a Newbro program in my corp :)

It is fear. I have not gone forward with a plan to PvP because I know I will lose a ship (but I'm not the problem, I am a noob and know I need to develop skills to do it).

50k users is something I see often on the server. I know a few players whom never read the forums (or do any research in general which I cannot figure out). That leaves a whole slew of the population depending on the game for information and guidance. There is nothing in the game but people telling you that you will indeed be ganked, if it was not fear then more would jump into the PvP pool and that part of the population would grow. But as is it is not. Because of fear by what is told, heck it's all I have been told in the game.

Human psychology at work. Don't enter the dark ally as there are bad people there that want to send you home in an ambulance. Most assuredly fear.

Here's a reason why I choose my PVP opponents, they are willingly engaging me, so no hard feelings.
you PVP with some and they lose it now becomes a personal grudge and they will stalk you to the ends of the EVE universe.

As most carebears living in hi sec they spend lots more time carebearing it up and don't want someone with a personal vendetta ruining that.

As it is now look at all the threads about grief play interrupting carebear's hi sec lives
Why should a carebear believe that once a PVP match is over it's over, so best just to avoid that in the first place is what crosses the mind.

Some carebear's will never combat PVP some would but in the end it's just too bad there are players who go nuts if they lose and make it personal.

i don't get the idea.

you want noobs to actually be send to lowsec to get killed?

you realize one of the main reasons that we kill noobs in lowsec is to teach them not to come there before they can fly anything proper?

Remove CONCORD.



No, we kill them so they learn how to use a D-scan.

No, you kill them because it's EASY. As in peeveepee'ers love their EASY BUTTON just like high sec miners like their easy button (according to peeveepee'ers).

Fear is not the issue. The issue is reason: there is simply no reason to PVP for a newbie other then learning to PVP in the first place. Older players might have incentives to pvp such as the defense of their space or harming an enemies military or economic power. What reason does a newbie have apart from learning the ropes? What reason does he have to shoot at your ship?

Absolutely ZERO reason, apart from "fun", and I don't consider a 5 second fight to be fun enough to face the hassle of buying and fitting up a new ship. As soon as I've done that I'm like screw it, I just bought this thing, I'm gonna enjoy it for a while instead of throwing it to the wolves for no particular reason, and no pvp actually happens. It's not meaningfull, and could just as well not have happened.

The rate at which you gain ships and lose them is totally out of whack, it just doesn't make sense to start a fight in this game unless you know you might have a good chance to win. Guess what? Newbies know they will almost always lose. So what do people expect here? Why would anyone casually throw away stuff in a game that does everything in it's power to appear harsh and cold? It makes no sense whatsoever to practicly give away stuff to people who were more experienced then you to begin with.

I'm sorry, but I find it 100% logical PVP puts certain people off. Most low-level fights are completely meaningless one-sided ganks. Since you level like a snail in EvE and decent ships don't come cheap, I find it completely unsurprising people get stuck in a routine that does not include pvp at all.

......or maybe they just do not care for it, having learned from past experiences. Sheesh.

I was not comfortable going into Low Sec until after the 1st year. ISD gave great true advice, btw. No lie there.