Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lol didnt realise posts like this were this common, literally posted the same thing about 2 weeks ago, even with the same idea :P

...or the search function

One could PvE in PvP ships, but that means settling for lower ticks, and maybe only hitting anomalies that are appropriate for your skills.

Or fleeting up and *sharing* the isk.

Or, instead of complaining about not being able to catch targets you could sit at the keyboard, turn the cloak off and actually PvP the people who find you.

Works both ways, really. There are other ways to pvp than ganking. You might have to accept some risks, maybe even take some losses.

I'm not sure if the real issue has been tackled here to be honest. AFK cloaking to a point is a tactic. It becomes stupid when one player with a huge amount of alts decides to camp numerous systems. I believe that becomes an exploit of a game mechanic and CCP need to deal with that.

So carebears like to live in null and low sec. Isn't that what CCP wanted and encouraged?

To the people whining about Null sec "carebears". When ur next out in ur pvp ship hunting that shiney kill. Where did that ship come from? who built it? the fiitings? where did they come from? somebody had to build them to put them on the market for you to use?

Getting rid of local i think would cause an inbalance. Yes local is a chat channel that can be used as intel but how many times has it worked in your favour?

My idea would be to introduce a Cloak Fuel. This would mean that people could still "AFK" cloak but with risk. It stops people with multiple accounts camping numerous systems in cloaked ships for 23hr periods.

The above is only MY opinion that i am entitled to. I don't care if you agree or disagree. I don't care if u flame me whine and cry. I sit on neutral ground and simply offer thoughts and ideas.

Fly safe all...

Ok so if carebearing should be hi sec only as u suggest then maybe all minerals should be available in hi sec which would ruin the ABC ore profiles and almost certainly crash the market.

I take your points but how would the cloak fuel idea only benefit the carebear? It would simply mean that cloakers would have to take a risk the same as any other player when currently there is minimal risk with cloaking campers.

I'm not seeing the local thing to be honest. Ok so ur saying that if a cloaky comes in to system he doesn't appear in local nor can he see local. That surely ONLY benefits the cloaky pilot from a defense point of view. Remember some "carebear" ships also have cloaking capabilities. How then, if u can't see a cloaky pilot in local, are you able to detect and defend?

He would have to make an attack on a player. If he then evades being killed he cloaks and leaves system and thus is totally invisible once again. This is in total favour of the cloaky. only visible when he wants to be and free to do whatever he likes. Him seeing local is not important because he just warps cloaked to sites to take on surprised pve and mining players.

On your point of the whole anti carebear thing. Surely players have the option to decide what they want to do and where and when they like. You are almost saying that null sec should be strictly pvp. Thats nuts... It would wreck the game. My alt does pvp, pve and sometimes mining are you then saying i should move out of null if i want to mine and also if null is for pvp should pvp be stopped in hi sec? Anyway slightly off topic but something that needed to be expressed in response to you.

>>>>As to cloaking fuel, not needed.
Simply remove the free awareness of cloaked vessels by making them not displayed in local.
In exchange, they should not see local either.
Then add in a balanced means of hunting them, and you have it.

Noone can AFK cloak effectively, if they are not broadcast to the system. If they do make their presence known, it will result in their being hunted.
In exchange, defense pilots will need to be more proactive, which is appropriate in parts of the game where group effort dictates control of space and the resources it contains.



Please understand what it means to be proactive. It is the difference between taking preventive steps, and trying to compensate by responding to an issue afterwards. Responding to issues afterwards is called reactive.

It is already accepted practice to establish gate camps, to prevent entry into a system. These can obviously tell you when the gate fires, which becomes significant if a name is not added to that pilot roster in local. Setting at LEAST a scout to monitor entry gates to sensitive areas should be expected.

If you feel the potential for a cloaked vessel's presence warrants the effort, send out a patrol to sweep the system. If you seriously want to wait until after they attack before acting, and being purely reactive, that is your call.


Your perspective is skewed by your sticking to specific terms to view it with.

Null is not strictly PvP. It IS strictly group effort.
If your group is an alliance that secures it's borders solidly, your job may resemble solo play, but you still owe it to the other players who established the threat free area you operate in.

Cloaking has already been broken for some time. It is balanced, however.

Sound like a contradiction? Then you also assume balance implies functionality, which it does not.

Cloaking is broken by local reporting it, in an absolutely reliable manner. This is broken.

It is however, balanced by:

You absolutely cannot locate a cloaked vessel, unless they let you, or make a mistake. This is also broken.

Since both sides are countering each other, it is in balance.


Who said you could not solo play? The point of null is it favors a group over a solo player, assuming all other details to be equal.

As to cloaked vessels... it is not that cloaks should not change, but this stalemate effect is countering the free intel being given out by local.

We have right now, a case of: "I know you are there, but I cannot find you"
(Absolute presence awareness countered by absolute location concealment)

You cannot change one side without the other, and still have balance.

Too much focus on how to remove AFK cloaking. You are addressing a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself.

If you want to remove AFK cloaking's game impact, remove cloaked ships from displaying in local.

When this is done, it becomes reasonable to consider means to hunt cloaked vessels. NOT before this happens.

So long as people in a system magically know cloaked pilots are present with them, cloaked vessels should not be vulnerable to being hunted effectively.

Cloaking will be earned when cloaking awareness is earned. Balance must be maintained.

Cloaking is a valid tool of psychological warfare. If someone wants to pay to have a toon just sitting cloaked and winding up the nulsec carebears, that's legit.

I think nothing needs to be done. Leave it as it is.