Player Features and Ideas Discussion

its freaking null sec. if u cannot defend urself then u dont belong. come back to hi-sec.

cause they think they have the right to rat in null sec without interruption. all the rewards of null without any of the risk.

Currently is would seem that i did cover the common counter points in my first post, and nothing new from the pro-nerf cloaking groups.

I've already explained in a past post that because it's impossible to know if a cloaked vessel is AFK or not we must assume that it is active all the time. In most of 0.0 a cloaked vessel is not an issue. As pointed out by various people in this thread there are tactics that can be employed to deal with them.

HOWEVER in a system raised to industry level 5, where you have players stripping the hidden belts it would be nice if we had a more pro-active method of dealing with the cloaked vessel. We have more at stake here than simply padding our pockets with ISK (although that is a very pleasant by product of what we did) When I was in 0.0 there were cloaked vessels in the system where I worked, no they did not stop me from mining and yes we did eventually deal with the issue.

I don't want to nerf cloaking I want it to remain a viable source of intel gathering/harassment. I do want a method however that lets us punish dumb/distracted cloakers who aren't paying attention, something that keeps them active or logged off. Or gives us a simple piece of intel the ship class... from that we can ascertain it's threat level.

The argument that AFK cloakers never killed anyone is not a valid one as there is no way to test the state of a cloaker at any given time.

…in other words, AFK cloakers are not a problem.

What's the point? If they aren't paying attention, then they will get themselves killed anyway or be completely irrelevant to anything.

As long as people keep complaining that AFK cloakers are somehow worse than regular cloakers, then yes, yes it is.

wait, so there was an afk cloaker and u dealt with the issue and it didnt even stop u mining...so what it is the problem?
u want to know the threat level of dumb and distracted cloakers? how about none...they are dumb, distracted, seemingly not paying attention and, lets not forget, unable to shoot u while cloaked. once he decloaks to do his thing then d-scan or overview provides all the intel ur asking for.

how does it make sense to gather intel on a cloaked ship? its cloaked!

mining in null sec is rewarding, so it should have its risks to balance it out. if u cannot deal with the risks then u should not be there. u seem to be completely ignorant of the fact that null sec is centred around PvP and if u and ur brosefs cannot defend eachother, including industry 5 systems, then u don't belong there. at best u belong in low sec.

what ur also neglecting is that fact that u wouldnt even know the cloaker was there if it wasn't for local. i doubt u'd even be in null sec if it wasn't for local providing 100% certainty when enemies are inbound, cause then u'd actually have to work for ur money.

right now it is too easy to identify if bad guys are in system, so null-bears are always able to avoid any form of PvP despite being in a PvP centric area of the game. What afk cloaking basically does is provides enough uncertainty to those who are risk averse and those who cannot be arsed to defend themselves that it prevents them from activities.

what these null-bears should be asking themselves is: if i am really that risk averse and i cannot be bothered to defend myself, then what the hell am i doing in null sec?

There's an interesting story about the dawn of automated computerized trading IRL.

It seems that the first group to do so ended up violating the NASDAQ TOS by simulating the terminal transactions directly in software, so they ended up building a machine to actually type on the keyboard to ensure that they were not violating the TOS and thus avoided being banned from the market.

I expect that there exists a subset of the EvE community competent enough with a soldering iron and screwdriver to rig up a frame with a couple of servos on it should they be inspired to. Detecting the botting in such a case would be something of a challenge.

You cannot destroy that which does not exist. You cannot be effected by that which has no corporal form. Your fear of the ethereal realm is very unsettling - They are simply the lost AFK Cloaker Souls of the universe drifting midst local chat. Reaching out for a friendly miner to help them find home.

Anyways going to AFK Cloak this thread.

I see nothing bad if player wants to cloak in the system and go afk.

How does anyone really know these folks are actually AFK? Seems to me unless you have a video feed to their desk chair and can see they're not sitting there, you can't know, and are merely surmising. The fact you can't see them and they won't reply to you is circumstantial evidence, at best. Can we stop trying to implement a mechanic that aims at preventing someone from doing something you can only guess they're doing?