Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Force how?

Mind control?

Because they can't shoot, heck, can't even target you while they are cloaked
Get some buddies in combat ships, or move back to high sec
sheesh

I have a better idea: a 6th point in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6341&find=unread that forbids threads in this area of the forum about AFK-Cloaking and threads about cloaking as long as the cloaking mechanics have not been changed dramaticly.

While one could argue that local's easy mode intel system is flawed. The actual 100% risk free, instant intel it gives is not. The flaw comes with the user misreading the intel and then acting upon this bad conclusion.

No one AFK, cloaked or not, can force anyone to do anything. They cannot force you to dock, undock, stay in the system, not use your modules, not mine, rat etc. etc.

1) The idea to remove cloaked vessels from local, is only part of that type of change. But the point being made and one you seem to have missed, is that cloaks are not the problem these people are having.

2) Any system made that promotes macro use, is bad. If you mean and AFK timer in this regard, it's just as bad because they are so easily bypassed without breaking the EULA.

3) Yes, scanning down ships does defeat the purpose of cloaking. But if locals easy mode intel system was changed, then many could see the need for a limited cloak hunting ship. But as and until the reason for AFKing remains, cloaks should not be nerfed.

So your estimation needs work, as you've not taken all the facts into accounts.




Edit: Unrelated.
I hate this forum at times. 2013 and forums it seems, are the hardest thing to code.

The reason it exists is because it's a tactic with 0 risk to the cloaked person and a very real risk to the industrial inhabitants of that system. The risk being a Covert cynosural field opening and a hostile fleet entering the system with no possible means of a warning.

This risk remains the whole time the cloaked vessel remains on-line. As I stated there is no way of knowing if the person controlling the vessel is present or not so we must assume they are there.

Industrial vessels are expensive and vulnerable which makes them tempting targets and disrupting an Alliances industry can also have far reaching consequences. All done though a 0 risk activity by an alt.

Wrong, there is no risk until they decloak. Then you can shoot them. But again, you've missed the reason for AFKing.

Answer me this. Whilst they are AFK, what mechanic are they using to interact with those in the system?

If you have an issue with covert cynos, then make a thread about them. They are a separate mechanic and an active one at that.

Also the warning comes when they are lit. This is not a mechanic that only happens in null and does not require a cloak to be effective.

…or more likely, that there's nothing to fix.
It's not like they're making any amount of money that makes any difference from it.

Oh right. Silly me, 0 risk to having a hostile in a system with a Covert cynosural field generator... Great lets grab the Rorquals , Orca's and Hulks and lets get some mining done! We'll all warp to that large hidden asteroid belt and sit in a large clump and get rich mining ABC's

In what way is being AFK too powerful?
And how does making local more powerful, give your ideas any merit?

Also the cyno is a separate active mechanic. So if you have issues with that, make a thread about it. But you can already stop the majority of them, with a single pos module.

I have proposed this in the past, for the reasons you list below.
I also recommend including docked vessels and those within POS shields as well.


Oh, hunting cloaked vessels in a balanced manner is not difficult for the player side.
I will get to the point.

It is widely anticipated that any change to local which stopped free cloaking awareness would also include a means to hunt cloaked ships.

The only reason such a system cannot predate changes to current intel, is that it would trivialize cloaking. The trade off for being hunted is, at minimum, not being known present without some kind of significant effort.

And at that point, the craft that actually does the hunting needs to be balanced against the cloaked vessels, or else it will be one sided.
There are plenty of ideas HOW to hunt a cloaked vessel already. Keeping it simple is probably best.
The proper combination of skills / specialized ship hull / modules should let the hunting pilot see the cloaked vessel, and subsequently paint them with a target painter like module, thereby allowing other players to see and lock onto the craft.

Differences between the hunted and hunter in skill and equipment quality would determine the time to lock and engage the target painter module, creating demand for the best available on both sides.
This time to lock would be expected to affect whether the cloaked pilot could evade a successful hunt.

Now, as to details how this works:
The hunting craft activates the painter module.
This activates an enhanced sensor decryption mode, which like cloaked vessels works better on certain hulls. The covops hulls themselves work better for this for many of the same reasons they work so well for cloaking devices. They can control and limit their own sensor emissions to a greater degree.
You can launch probes prior to activating this module, and use them and or D-Scan / active scan.
While in this operating mode, cloaked vessels appear to your sensors as if they were not cloaked, allowing you to detect them using normal means.
The only device you can use beyond sensors / probes, is the painting function. Locking onto the vessel using this takes an amount of time determined by the difference between your skills and equipment, and the cloaked pilot with their vessel.
Once you are locked on, they become visible to everyone, and can be locked and attacked normally.

Yea yours includes docked vessels and pos stuff. But I think the originator was Ingvar Angst. Although I could be wrong.

Linkage.