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Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#261 - 2013-02-05 11:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
Provence Tristram wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.

Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.

Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.

Do you see where I am going now?

I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.

It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?

All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.

'Nough said.


I get the general sentiment, OP. You expected the nature of someone to change. And you're not alone. Our society is, after all, built on this assumption -- that someone can be 'sorry,' and grow out of being bad. Problem is, that's such a terribly rare thing. One need only turn on the TV to find dozens of celebrities and sports stars who have 'done a bad thing,' appologized, and then offended yet again. And this is because people -- and, in particular, malicious people -- don't tend to change.

They say that 4.5% of the population are sociopaths. That means that, out of the 35,000 or so players on EVE at any given moment, approximately 1,500 of them do not possess anything we could even come close to identifying as a soul. Scary, huh? These people are all 'me me me,' have no conscience, no moral compass, and will do anything or say anything to gain even a momentary or fleeting advantage.

Contrary to what others have said, the anonymity granted by EVE doesn't somehow make being bad okay. You don't step out of yourself and get a free pass on karma when you log into this little electronic universe. If someone 'up there' is paying attention, they're paying attention no matter what the circumstances are. But, as I have said, there is a goodly portion of the human race that doesn't care... that doesn't worry over labels like 'good' or 'evil' because they think they've transcended them. You have to realize that those folks are out there, and that they would stab you in the heart to steal away a nickel.

I play the game alone... and may always do so. Space is a lonely place, as is life. Trust the person you marry. Trust your family. Trust a best friend. Trust nobody else.


wow dude

I think you do need to lighten up a bit.

TBH I agree with 90% of the stuff your saying, but I guess I learned to laugh about it :)

Saying that doesnt mean you should walk through life with your eyes closed.

There has to be a happy medium, a 'normal' otherwise you are not doing your mental health any favours.

Peace bro

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
xxVastorxx
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2013-02-05 11:33:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
First. I'm not going to discuss mining with anyone who obviously knows nothing about it.

Other than that, the point I was trying to make is that there is no reason to trust anyone else in the game. Doesn't matter who they say they are, where they say they come from, even if they're less than a day old.

I like to think the best of people. To give them a chance. That seems to be pretty much out of the question now.

Exactly. That's why massive corporations are doomed to fail. Smaller is better.



You shouldn't be telling others smaller is better when your in a large corp/alliance/coalition.
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#263 - 2013-02-05 12:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Provence Tristram
Shawnm339 wrote:
I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously


I guess it's impossible for me to divorce being mean in game from being mean IRL. Perhaps you should attempt a little introspective thinking? How about some hypotheticals?

  • Would you be underhanded while playing sports?
  • Would you cheat in a FPS?
  • Would you hack a different MMO?
  • Would you be callous while playing a board game?

Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all.

Let's expand one of those hypotheticals a little. You're two hours into a game of Risk (ah, classic Risk) when your friend decides to get up and go use the bathroom. Do you wait 10 seconds and then proceed to remove several of his key armies from the board? Do you remove even one? Do you give serious consideration to doing it? Maybe your answer to all these questions has been 'no,' so let me ask another: if you were playing with a stranger instead of a friend, would it become acceptable behavior then? And if you won by those means, can said behavior still be written of as: 'it's just a game?'

I'm not accusing anyone playing EVE Online of cheating, or even of doing something that's not allowed or intended. And I'm not saying that the OP was faultless, or not equally silly to come on here and whine about it afterwards. But I am saying that actions that you justify by saying 'well, I'm just playing a game,' or 'everyone else is just taking this too seriously' may be indicative of a deeper personality disorder.

Contrary to what you may think, not everyone playing EVE is so cavalier regarding other people's time as you are. And that's really what you're blowing up when you gank a guy, isn't it? His time. It's the most precious resource on Earth, and you approach its destruction as if the person on the other side of the internet connection didn't even exist. I cannot imagine what it must be like to be able to write-off another human being in such a way. What a life you must be leading.

But go on. Repeat 'it's just a game.' Forgive me, though, for wanting to avoid committing to any board game marathons with you in the future.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#264 - 2013-02-05 12:39:14 UTC
Provence Tristram wrote:
Shawnm339 wrote:
I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously


I guess it's impossible for me to divorce being mean in game from being mean IRL. Perhaps you should attempt a little introspective thinking? How about some hypotheticals?

  • Would you be underhanded while playing sports?
  • Would you cheat in a FPS?
  • Would you hack a different MMO?
  • Would you be callous while playing a board game?

Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all.

Let's expand one of those hypotheticals a little. You're two hours into a game of Risk (ah, classic Risk) when your friend decides to get up and go use the bathroom. Do you wait 10 seconds and then proceed to remove several of his key armies from the board? Do you remove even one? Do you give serious consideration to doing it? Maybe your answer to all these questions has been 'no,' so let me ask another: if you were playing with a stranger instead of a friend, would it become acceptable behavior then? And if you won by those means, can said behavior still be written of as: 'it's just a game?'

I'm not accusing anyone playing EVE Online of cheating, or even of doing something that's not allowed or intended. And I'm not saying that the OP was faultless, or not equally silly to come on here and whine about it afterwards. But I am saying that actions that you justify by saying 'well, I'm just playing a game,' or 'everyone else is just taking this too seriously' may be indicative of a deeper personality disorder.

Contrary to what you may think, not everyone playing EVE is so cavalier regarding other people's time as you are. And that's really what you're blowing up when you gank a guy, isn't it? His time. It's the most precious resource on Earth, and you approach its destruction as if the person on the other side of the internet connection didn't even exist. I cannot imagine what it must be like to be able to write-off another human being in such a way. What a life you must be leading.

But go on. Repeat 'it's just a game.' Forgive me, though, for wanting to avoid committing to any board game marathons with you in the future.


On the other hand, EVE is explicitly and openly advertised as a game where spying, treachery, piracy, theft and violent coercian are not just allowed but normal gameplay. Your Risk analogy fails on this point: removing another player's pieces while he's in the bathroom is explicitly not part of that game. It's the EVE equivalent of stealing someone's account, not of awoxing their mission CNR.

That's not to say that you have to play that way, but to complain about it is like calling someone a thug because he brought you down in a running tackle in a game of rugby.

EVE is one of the very few games that legitimately enables people to play the villain.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#265 - 2013-02-05 12:44:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Provence Tristram wrote:
Shawnm339 wrote:
I'd say the figure of sociopaths in eve is much higher? Why you ask? Because we normal hard working people understand that THIS IS A GAME, where we can be anyone we like..had a bad day at work? I can come on here and join a fleet and go and fly my anger out on some other poor unsuspecting souls...others decide to scam because maybe in real life they are genuine nice guys who work hard and want to play a different role....most of us accept that the people we talk to on here in some aspect may not quite be who's they be in RL in fact we might not even like them but in EVE...I'd suggest you're taking this spaceship game way too seriously


I guess it's impossible for me to divorce being mean in game from being mean IRL. Perhaps you should attempt a little introspective thinking? How about some hypotheticals?

  • Would you be underhanded while playing sports?
  • Would you cheat in a FPS?
  • Would you hack a different MMO?
  • Would you be callous while playing a board game?

Those are all game scenarios -- 'it's just a game' applies to them all.

Let's expand one of those hypotheticals a little. You're two hours into a game of Risk (ah, classic Risk) when your friend decides to get up and go use the bathroom. Do you wait 10 seconds and then proceed to remove several of his key armies from the board? Do you remove even one? Do you give serious consideration to doing it? Maybe your answer to all these questions has been 'no,' so let me ask another: if you were playing with a stranger instead of a friend, would it become acceptable behavior then? And if you won by those means, can said behavior still be written of as: 'it's just a game?'

I'm not accusing anyone playing EVE Online of cheating, or even of doing something that's not allowed or intended. And I'm not saying that the OP was faultless, or not equally silly to come on here and whine about it afterwards. But I am saying that actions that you justify by saying 'well, I'm just playing a game,' or 'everyone else is just taking this too seriously' may be indicative of a deeper personality disorder.

Contrary to what you may think, not everyone playing EVE is so cavalier regarding other people's time as you are. And that's really what you're blowing up when you gank a guy, isn't it? His time. It's the most precious resource on Earth, and you approach its destruction as if the person on the other side of the internet connection didn't even exist. I cannot imagine what it must be like to be able to write-off another human being in such a way. What a life you must be leading.

But go on. Repeat 'it's just a game.' Forgive me, though, for wanting to avoid committing to any board game marathons with you in the future.


On the other hand, EVE is explicitly and openly advertised as a game where spying, treachery, piracy, theft and violent coercian are not just allowed but normal gameplay. Your Risk analogy fails on this point: removing another player's pieces while he's in the bathroom is explicitly not part of that game. It's the EVE equivalent of stealing someone's account, not of awoxing their mission CNR.

That's not to say that you have to play that way, but to complain about it is like calling someone a thug because he brought you down in a running tackle in a game of rugby.

EVE is one of the very few games that legitimately enables people to play the villain.


We are all given choices on how to act in real life, too. In real life, you can legitimately play the villain as well. And, I might add, you can get very far ahead by doing it. I still fail to see the difference. One is casual, the other is deadly serious, but I don't know that you can argue that they're not symptomatic of the same behavioral urges. In the end, we are all choosing to be good or evil whether we are in EVE or not. Changing the stakes doesn't change the choice, it just alters the impact.
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#266 - 2013-02-05 12:54:17 UTC
This is the first time I've seen a hisec missioner that almost managed to give me multiple slots on the minerbingo card.......

@ the OP Leaving aside all the crap and your blatant overaction to the point that I suspect Trollery is afoot. By kicking all your corp members due to a single awoxxing incident that was clearly your own fault they are simply better off without you.

Sorry, not trying to be mean here but that attitude deserves to be forever alone.

Kill it with Fire!

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#267 - 2013-02-05 14:22:14 UTC
Aracimia Wolfe wrote:
This is the first time I've seen a hisec missioner that almost managed to give me multiple slots on the minerbingo card.......

@ the OP Leaving aside all the crap and your blatant overaction to the point that I suspect Trollery is afoot. By kicking all your corp members due to a single awoxxing incident that was clearly your own fault they are simply better off without you.

Sorry, not trying to be mean here but that attitude deserves to be forever alone.

Smaller is better.

You're best when you're alone, like in a one-man corp that can be disbanded and reformed. Or in a group like a wonderful NPC corp. Your actual tax liability may vary !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#268 - 2013-02-05 14:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Yim Sei
This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance.

Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches).

Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc.

Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things.

Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all.

These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work.

All anyone can do is be more vigilant.

TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended.

Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence.

Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram.....

With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights.

There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution.

If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken.

I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites.

Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me.

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#269 - 2013-02-05 15:01:59 UTC
Yim Sei wrote:
This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance.

Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches).

Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc.

Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things.

Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all.

These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work.

All anyone can do is be more vigilant.

TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended.

Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence.

Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram.....

With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights.

There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution.

If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken.

I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites.

Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me.



Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#270 - 2013-02-05 15:07:38 UTC
You lose not even a bill and turtle hard?

really? REALLY?

I guess it kinda depends how much fun you were having with other people although you post reads more like "I started a low tax corp so I could get tax of mission runners."

rather than, I started a corp to achieve something.
Yim Sei
Ontogenic Achronycal PLC
#271 - 2013-02-05 15:09:12 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop



Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason.


Please read posts carefully before posting.

How is a CEO going to get a player to kill a corpmate anyway with the prize being a security drop?

There is a risk there and without reward, it wont happen so your argument is ......neither here nor there

Post with my main? This is my main - I just overtrain and overplay my alts.
Provence Tristram
Doomheim
#272 - 2013-02-05 15:11:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Provence Tristram
Malcanis wrote:
Yim Sei wrote:
This surely begs a question regarding loyalty and balance.

Its not enough to trust for trustings sake (whatever your deity of choice preaches).

Look at the larger powerblocks - they dont have this problem from a large portion of their lower tier members because their loyalty is payed in kind whether that is through feeling of acceptance, ratting / mining rights in null etc etc.

Awoxing has absolutely nothing to do with either of these things.

Its a means to an end for instant isk and that is all.

These guys already have their ' loyalty' to goons etc etc and would probably be back in straight away so no threat of 'you'll never work again' etc. will work.

All anyone can do is be more vigilant.

TBH it is detrimental to the community spirit of smaller corps, however working as intended.

Just pause for thought for a minute here - wouldnt it be cool if in corp assasinations or awoxing could be punished by the ceo through an instant eve wide security drop - say instant -5 on every occurence.

Bear with me here before anyone throws their toys out of the pram.....

With the introduction of the new concentual battle thingy would not detriment in corp 'PvP' arranged fights.

There is a problem that there is no 'punishment' in the above case for awoxing. No cause and effect. No retribution.

If a CEO could 'punish' a player or even have some permanent record in game for this it would help alleviate this which tbh is broken.

I have nothing against corp thieves and spies as 'Eve is harsh' and this does bring amazing game play opportunites.

Awoxing however is not PvP in any way, its not remotely intelligently executed and just seems a 'loophole' to me.



Yes there's no possible way that this could be abused amirite? It's difficult enough to persuade players to take a chance on joining corps without them risking banishment from hi-sec if the **** the corp CEO off for some reason.


Well, the most obvious safeguard to having that happen is to create a window, or short length of time, where this 'scarlet letter' can be tagged onto the offending player. And that window is only triggered if the offending player Awoxes someone.

EVE is based on a high-information era in future history. Even in today's world, if a person joined a corporation and then attempted to murder their CEO, don't you think that person would then carry the implications of that action with them forever? At least if they stayed in the western world, that record would chase them around for good. They'd have to flee to the third world to have any hope of dodging it.

Yim Sei is right -- this is something of a loophole. If someone does something like this, in the least other players should know they did it before when recruiting them. EVE is supposedly built around this idea that actions have consequences. IE, you can fly your PvE boat into nulsec and get blown out of the stars and nobody is going to hand you another billion ISK ship. But the same thing should apply to social interactions. If you do something inherently underhanded for little cause other than lawls, the system should remember it.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#273 - 2013-02-05 15:11:11 UTC
Mister S Burke wrote:
My bad, you will have to excuse me, I'm American so I'm not used to censorship.


Lol
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#274 - 2013-02-05 15:12:01 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
...
Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.

people say: Eve is all about consequences.

For normal players it means: never trust anyone with goonswarm in history.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#275 - 2013-02-07 00:43:21 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:

Definition of a poster child for the combination of moral decay and genetic drift? See below. Big smile

lollerwaffle wrote:


PAGING JENN ASIDE, JENN ASIDE, PLEASE REPORT TO TO THREAD. FINAL CALL FOR JENN ASIDE.

Anyway to pick apart your post:
1. You need a maturity check if players doing bad things to you results in you calling them a whole bunch of pretty names. The pure unadulterated irony of a "mature" person such as yourself calling other players immature is hilarious.

2. Your perception of the reality of the game is based on...? Actually, I'll concede that I am a generally nice guy and look to make friends. I also hang out with my friends and help each other out. But we also shoot other people, and get our rocks of shooting other people, while helping each other out and hanging out.

3. He has figured out how he wants to play it, and indeed has the right to do so. He chose to be what you yourself would call an immature jerk, and kicked everyone out of his corp because 1 person, that's right, 1 person shot him 100km off the station, in his ****-fit CNR.

4. Similarly, other people also paid their subscription fee and have the right to play how they want. Stop being a hypocrite.



So you resort to name calling when you have no argument? How cute and original Roll



Although I don't feel any particular need to defend myself, it's more of a statement of opining than a 'name'.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#276 - 2013-02-07 00:45:33 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:



TL. NPIR. Try somewhere else.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#277 - 2013-02-07 00:49:01 UTC
Kanexus wrote:
something happened like this when i first played...someone i met through local we talked for a few hours and he needed a corp i offered him the one i was in and to make a long story short he blew up my hulk while i was mining. i mean i dont get it myself we talked for a few hours seemed nice etc. i mean people realize that yeah they got you hahaha but they missed out on possibly great people to fly with...maybe even romances if one is a chick. i mean at least null sec and pirates u know what u getting urself into...what happened to you OP is just plain being an *******!


This is exactly the point I am trying to make. I'm hoping that no one else will do the same thing.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#278 - 2013-02-07 00:53:18 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:
OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again.

If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer?

Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead.

As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision?

Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself.


I've been playing since July 18, 2009. My CNR fit was demanded, and largely provided, by the main mission runner in the corp, and was not listed correctly in earlier posts. Thank you for READING the thread. NGA.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#279 - 2013-02-07 00:57:13 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:

Hey brother. This is your tear drenched post not mine.

What is really amusing here is that you brought AWOX tears to GD looking for compassion and then proceed to call other people "moron". HTFU m8, seriously.

As far as 1%ers, I have no clue what your on about. Been playing for 3 years and have never ever had my gameplay "dictated" by this supposed group. I can only assume this is some form of "goonspiracy".


I shed no tears.

My gameplay is not dictated by anyone.

I don't remember calling anyone a moron, but it could have happened.

Other than that, are you trying to make a point?
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#280 - 2013-02-07 00:59:51 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:
OP, you are a terrible leader on so many levels. Stop being a CEO, and learn the game as a grunt. Once you have 2-3 years under your belt following someone who actually has a clue on how to lead a corp and actually learning from them(that learning part is key) then consider trying to run your own corp again.

If you want to play a game like this, but without the griefers, may I suggest Freelancer?

Your CNR fit was demanded because it is a gauge of how much you actually know about the game, which was revealed to be less than my wife who has played for a month knows, and with considerably less knowledge of how to lead.

As a final note, refusing to try another game because you have never tried another online game is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. What is wrong with you? 'This is the game I choose, and it had better be exactly the way I want it or I am gonna whine about it!' is all the rest of us hear. Maybe you should take an EVE break and actually TRY something else so you can make an actual educated decision?

Or you can continue to whine about how we are all sociopathic children, instead of growing up and learning something yourself.


I've been playing since July 18, 2009. My CNR fit was demanded, and largely provided, by the main mission runner in the corp, and was not listed correctly in earlier posts. Thank you for READING the thread. NGA.

I did read the thread, saw the failfit CNR, and it proved you do not know how to play EVE. The other posted fit(which some people are mistaking and thinking was your fit, sadly) is, as explained, a joke from a long time ago.

I've been playing since 2006, but how long anyone has been playing EVE has no relevance on whether they actually know how to play, which is why I didn't bother asking how long you have been playing, or mention how long I had til now.

You might want to read the whole thread while not in possession of a giant case of mad.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.