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It's All About Trust

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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#221 - 2013-01-30 23:29:32 UTC
I hope you were providing valuable services for those mission runners since you were taxing them.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#222 - 2013-01-31 01:29:28 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
NARDAC wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I gave away all my stufz once.

It's like we're twins or something.

Are you sure he is not just your alt and you are just very very confused? Think about it.


Big smile I know the names of all 14 of my alts. He isn't one of them. Same experience, same game, is it possible that there is a trend here?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#223 - 2013-01-31 01:31:59 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp?

Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.


Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.



Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#224 - 2013-01-31 01:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Rico Minali wrote:
I hope you were providing valuable services for those mission runners since you were taxing them.


Let's see. Services provided:

1. 2.5% tax rate. (I don't need any more ISK.)
2. 20% shield boost, 10% shield resists.
3. 36 Hi Sec Level 4 agents to run missions for.
4. Ships and fittings if they need them.
5. I don't tell them what to do or when to do it. (Kind of makes their actions consensual, doesn't it?)
6. Voice comms.
7. No mandatory corp fits. They fly what they are comfortable with.

But I guess you are right. I don't provide anything for them. [irony]

EDIT: Dammit, I forgot

8. Free freighter service.
9. Free Orca boost for ones who mine in their spare time.
Frying Doom
#225 - 2013-01-31 01:50:26 UTC
Funny "Its all about Trust" is the campaign Australian opposition just started up against our so called Prime Minister here in Australia.

Is the OP a member of the Australian Liberal Party Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#226 - 2013-01-31 02:08:35 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Funny "Its all about Trust" is the campaign Australian opposition just started up against our so called Prime Minister here in Australia.

Is the OP a member of the Australian Liberal Party Lol


No, but I have considered emigrating to Oz. Big smile
Nessa Aldeen
First Among Equals
#227 - 2013-01-31 03:31:01 UTC
Thread is misleading. You should put "Goon joined my corp and killed me ship".

Yes, it's a question of trust but you should have already known what a Goon is. Once upon a time, this lot was quite cool but over time Goons have become the anti-thesis of what they were - a collection of 'look at me look at me, I'm so cool". One day, like all organisms and organizations, it too will die.. hopefully in a painful manner.

Therein lies the issue of trust. To trust a Goon is like putting a gun to your head. Goons feed on others, hell they sometimes feed each on each other.

Don't misjudge or punish your corp mates just because of a Goon as that would mean you're no better then a Goon.

On a side note, that fit. Did you take some of form of Mexican moonshine when you accepted the Goon and fitted the ship?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#228 - 2013-01-31 03:56:08 UTC
Nessa Aldeen wrote:
Thread is misleading. You should put "Goon joined my corp and killed me ship".

Yes, it's a question of trust but you should have already known what a Goon is. Once upon a time, this lot was quite cool but over time Goons have become the anti-thesis of what they were - a collection of 'look at me look at me, I'm so cool". One day, like all organisms and organizations, it too will die.. hopefully in a painful manner.

Therein lies the issue of trust. To trust a Goon is like putting a gun to your head. Goons feed on others, hell they sometimes feed each on each other.

Don't misjudge or punish your corp mates just because of a Goon as that would mean you're no better then a Goon.

On a side note, that fit. Did you take some of form of Mexican moonshine when you accepted the Goon and fitted the ship?


I've stated my reasons above. Yeah, it was dumb, but I was the one on the bleeding edge.

As a CEO, there are a lot of decisions I don't want to make, but, if I don't someone may get hurt.
Parsival
The Avalon Foundation
#229 - 2013-01-31 03:58:37 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Parsival wrote:


If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.


In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have.


Dude you are the one on the forum whining. If you didn't come here for advice on how to protect yourself in the future but merely to ***** about how gullible you've been then don't expect sympathy.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#230 - 2013-01-31 04:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Parsival wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Parsival wrote:


If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.


In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have.


Dude you are the one on the forum whining. If you didn't come here for advice on how to protect yourself in the future but merely to ***** about how gullible you've been then don't expect sympathy.


As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone.

Sympathy? I don't need that either.

What I intended was a public service message. Ever heard of those?

BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character?
Winchester Steele
#231 - 2013-01-31 05:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Winchester Steele
Not Politically Correct wrote:


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.


Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.


Not Politically Correct wrote:

Not anywhere near what I have suggested, but thank you for your input. Now, read the thread.



Yea gee. How could have I ever drawn that conclusion from your post? Roll Tell us more about the "problem" of unconsensual pvp and its effect on your numerous accounts.

Tell us how Eve could "be so much better" and how you "shouldn't have to change your playing style". I think your playing the wrong game, friend.

(Hint: I underlined the really awful sentiments in your post for you. Hth)Cool

...

Parsival
The Avalon Foundation
#232 - 2013-01-31 06:48:27 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:

As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone.


So why dish it out in the form of a whine dressed up as a ' public service message'?

Not Politically Correct wrote:
Sympathy? I don't need that either.


Attention then.... whatever Roll

Not Politically Correct wrote:
BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character?


Guess this new forum doesn't reference the posts from the old forum... bit before your time noob Lol
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#233 - 2013-01-31 09:35:30 UTC
If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox.

Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER.

Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions.

Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2.

That simple.

Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#234 - 2013-01-31 11:04:21 UTC
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox.

Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER.

Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions.

Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2.

That simple.

Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO.


That's pretty bad advice. If your only accepting people you know in real life then your corp will never grow. Your problem is that you are giving everyone director role.
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#235 - 2013-01-31 16:31:42 UTC
Parsival wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:

As said above, I don't take advice, from anyone.


So why dish it out in the form of a whine dressed up as a ' public service message'?

Not Politically Correct wrote:
Sympathy? I don't need that either.


Attention then.... whatever Roll

Not Politically Correct wrote:
BTW, after 8 years of keeping your mouth shut, I'm glad to see you are finally coming out of the closet . . . or did you just buy the character?


Guess this new forum doesn't reference the posts from the old forum... bit before your time noob Lol


The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement.

I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you.

I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all.
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#236 - 2013-01-31 16:58:22 UTC
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
If you follow three basic rules in Eve you will never have a problem. Every member of my corp is a director and I have NEVER had a single theft, problem or awox.

Rule 1: NEVER let anyone into the corp you don't know personally or is a personal friend of someone you know personally. EVER.

Rule 2: Auto Reject everyone who does not follow rule 1. No discussions.

Rule 3: Never make exceptions for rules 1 and 2.

That simple.

Letting a random player from the general population into your corp and a former Goon to boot is about the stupidest thing you can do as a CEO.


So you play an internationally available MMO only with your personal friends and their personal friends. What a brilliant policy.
Parsival
The Avalon Foundation
#237 - 2013-01-31 17:36:43 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:


The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement.

I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you.

I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all.



I read the OP... it was rather a boring whine mixed with a thinly veiled rant against Goons and game mechanics that pretty much everyone takes for granted but yourself. You yourself described it as a public service announcement which implies at least a limited advisory agenda on your part, no matter how vague and confused it was. I think it was something along the lines of never trust a Goon Lol

Thread only really piqued my interest when you revealed you couldn't see anything wrong with fitting heavy launchers to a Raven and then wondered why anyone found that amusing.

2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#238 - 2013-01-31 23:24:53 UTC
Parsival wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:


The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement.

I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you.

I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all.



I read the OP... it was rather a boring whine mixed with a thinly veiled rant against Goons and game mechanics that pretty much everyone takes for granted but yourself. You yourself described it as a public service announcement which implies at least a limited advisory agenda on your part, no matter how vague and confused it was. I think it was something along the lines of never trust a Goon Lol

Thread only really piqued my interest when you revealed you couldn't see anything wrong with fitting heavy launchers to a Raven and then wondered why anyone found that amusing.

2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say?


I think you need to read the rest of the thread now. I didn't expect anyone to be interested in the fit, and I made a mistake. It happens . . . to both of us.
Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#239 - 2013-02-01 03:16:17 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
3 pages of idiots because EVE is so much better thanks to them. Welcome to skuzbucket EVE. It's why every other "sandbox" is in a toilet and EVE will be eventually too. Because they belong there.



Sounds like someone should go back to to playing games where you're told what to do. If you're interested, wow and hello kitty are back in the opposite direction.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#240 - 2013-02-01 04:18:35 UTC
Parsival wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
The only advice that I've given here is to be careful. And I don't believe that I even made that into a statement.

I don't want sympathy or attention. I wish that guy had never noticed me. Same with you.

I remember the old forums quite well. Posted there many times. Looks like you didn't read the OP after all.

I read the OP... it was rather a boring whine mixed with a thinly veiled rant against Goons and game mechanics that pretty much everyone takes for granted but yourself. You yourself described it as a public service announcement which implies at least a limited advisory agenda on your part, no matter how vague and confused it was. I think it was something along the lines of never trust a Goon Lol

Thread only really piqued my interest when you revealed you couldn't see anything wrong with fitting heavy launchers to a Raven and then wondered why anyone found that amusing.

2009 player.... heavy launchers on a Raven.... how much did your character cost again did you say?

EVE 2013: Heavy Missile nerfs were not enough to make battleship launchers viable on .. a battleship.

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