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It's All About Trust

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Spurty
#201 - 2013-01-30 17:38:32 UTC
So what you're saying is:

Characters with GOON employment histories have toilet stock?

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Krazynikomo
Perkone
Caldari State
#202 - 2013-01-30 17:50:06 UTC
Carebear gets awoxed, news at 12.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#203 - 2013-01-30 17:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakach
Pewty McPew wrote:


You trusted a Goon? Once a Goon always a Goon. You got what you deserved and also learned an important lesson "NEVER TRUST A GOON"

I have some ocean front property in Arizona for sale if you interested.


Unless you are a Goon.

From what I understand, they take care of their own.
Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2013-01-30 17:58:42 UTC
Krazynikomo wrote:
Carebear gets awoxed, news at 12.


Goof
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#205 - 2013-01-30 18:01:56 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I've been playing since July of 2009. Had my ups and downs. Made a lot of ISK mining, lost a corp to an infiltrator, lost some expensive ships, blah, blah, blah.

Then I decided to start a mission running corp, and it was expanding nicely. 2.5% tax rate, Level 4 missions 18 hours a day even for people only 2 weeks old. It was a lot of fun helping them. Life was good.

Today I got an application from a 2007 player. +5.0 standing with Concord, no bounty, seemed like a nice guy, but there was a problem. He had been in both Goonswarm and Goonwaffe in 2010. So I asked him about that before accepting the application. He said that was a thing of the past, he had grown out of that phase.

Do you see where I am going now?

I accepted him and asked him along on a Level 4. He killed my CNR right outside of my home station. 994 million ISK down the tubes.

It was obviously my fault, as much for the things I did as the things I didn't do. But what's the result?

All the members of the corp are now in stasis and will be kicked as soon as they come out. Applications will be disabled permanently. I'm not going to quit the game, because I like it, but I would much rather fly solo, and auto-reject, than get another surprise like that.

'Nough said.


ROTFLMAO (yea, i know that's an old ass acronym, look it up in a dictionary, you young whipper snappers)

But seriously (and if this isn't a pretty epic troll), WTF do you expect? It's not just about Goons, Awoxing happens all over EVE. You defend against it in a number of ways, like not inviting people you don't truly know well to fly along side your expensive money making ships

The problem isn't with the game, or even with other people, the problem was your choice to try to do some co-op play with someone you didn't really know (along with your over-attachment to pixels, so what a ship went boom, ships in EVE do that).

Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp?

Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#206 - 2013-01-30 18:24:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp?

Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#207 - 2013-01-30 18:41:18 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp?

Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.

EvE will continue to become a better game, yes, however it is unlikely that your definition of "better" will be used.

I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#208 - 2013-01-30 18:44:05 UTC

You know.... if you don't trust people to be in a corp with you.... form an alliance, put yourself in a protected corp... and have a separate recruiting corp to bring in people that you don't trust...

Alliance members cannot open fire on each other... only corp members can...
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#209 - 2013-01-30 19:07:50 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others.


The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from. Big smile
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#210 - 2013-01-30 19:13:05 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others.


The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from. Big smile

You have obviously never had the joy of letting a spy succeed only to allow PL to coincidentally come down on them.
With a hotdrop.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#211 - 2013-01-30 19:21:41 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


I reserve the right to infiltrate your corp if I desire (and you are careless) and do terrible things. I also reserve the right for you to be able to do exactly the same thing to me or others.


The difference is that I have no use for that right. It isn't something I would get any jollies from. Big smile

That is, of course, irrelevant.

In my country I have the right to vote.
I may or may not choose to excercise that right, but I can recognize the fact that this right needs to exist.

You are operating using the same rules set as every other player. If you choose not to participate in some area's of the game that the rules allow for that is your right, however it is not up to you to try and insist that parts of the game you do not participate in cease to exist.

Your sucessful participation in this game dictates that you at least be aware of these area's and the potential effect they may have on you and govern your game play accordingly. If you choose not to go even that far then you must deal with the consequences.

You can, of course, express your opinion... however you should not expect to get much support for such a narrow minded and somewhat selfish point of view.

You would be best served by simply becoming a better player of the game... primarily by becoming more familiar with the rules and the best practices people use to succeed and enjoy themselves within that rule set.

Or you can seek a game more suited to your personal tastes.

That choice is up to you.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#212 - 2013-01-30 19:34:30 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.



This is the sense of entitlement and unreasonableness that drives some of us to talk about "high sec people" on this forum. You types don't really like EVE but can't figure out how to stop playing.

The bolded word is a perfect example. Non-consensual pvp is not a "problem", it is a a FEATURE and FOUNDING PRINCIPLE of EVE since day one. Hell, CCP is pretty much a real life company full of griefers and tear extraction artists

A wise game player tries a game, determines if he/she is compatible with the games core principles and mechanics (ie, is it fun to them), and THEN decides whether to stay or leave.

Not so for many a high sec player. Some come in with preconceived notions (one guy on this forum a while back said he came in expecting EVE to be a "realistic space simulator" and was disappointed that is wasn't L--O--freaking---L), some come with bad habits from other mmos, and others are just to....not smart... to stop playing a game they deep down hate "because it could be better one day and i don't want to miss out if it gets better".

Just about every one of those above could probably benefit from time with a real life mental health professional or Oprah Winfrey........
Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#213 - 2013-01-30 19:41:15 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


You would be best served by simply becoming a better player of the game... primarily by becoming more familiar with the rules and the best practices people use to succeed and enjoy themselves within that rule set.



One thing I've learned in this game is to avoid any advice that includes the word 'best'. I don't give people advice on in-game stuff, and that makes feel feel quite justified in not accepting any advice either. If I want to find out how something works, I try it. It's been working great so far . . . with a few exceptions.
Parsival
The Avalon Foundation
#214 - 2013-01-30 19:52:16 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I don't give people advice on in-game stuff...


Thank goodness because you are obviously not very good at EVE. Everything from failing to fit a Raven properly to failing to run a corp properly points to this.

Not Politically Correct wrote:
and that makes feel feel quite justified in not accepting any advice either.


If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#215 - 2013-01-30 20:01:32 UTC
Me.
You can trust me.
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry
Never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

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Not Politically Correct
Doomheim
#216 - 2013-01-30 20:17:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Not Politically Correct
Parsival wrote:


If you are too stubborn or ignorant to learn from the wisdom and experience of players who have more knowledge of the game than yourself expect some hard knocks.


In this game, if you listen to the advice of 'experts', I think you are far more likely to end up getting more hard knocks than I have.

Just remember that conventional wisdom is for conventional people. And that 90% of what the 'experts' in this game tell you was never true even when they started playing.
NARDAC
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#217 - 2013-01-30 20:50:37 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:

I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.


It's like we're twins or something.

The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit.

I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for.

I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic.


Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker.

So, I quit the game again.

But, I got bored.


In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better.


I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them.

Anyway,
try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#218 - 2013-01-30 21:26:08 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:
I gave away all my stufz once.

It's like we're twins or something.

Are you sure he is not just your alt and you are just very very confused? Think about it.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2013-01-30 22:10:47 UTC
NARDAC wrote:
Not Politically Correct wrote:

I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.


It's like we're twins or something.

The corp I was in that moved to 0.0 joined up with goons. Their antics frustrade me to no end, and I just quit.

I was so sure I wasn't coming back to the game that I gave away billions of ISK worth of stuff, didn't even bother to keep my skills in training for the 4 months I'd pre-paid for.

I'd succumbed to this feeling that EVE players are nothing but a bunch of immature, punk donkey, turdForBrains, being phalix for the sake of being a falic.


Then I remembered the times I'd actually enjoyed EVE. Hanging out with friends, helping new players learn the game, casual PVP fights without hundreds of billions of ISK on the line. So I came back and started a new player training corp, only to get killed by yet another crank sucking, immature, turdEating come sucker.

So, I quit the game again.

But, I got bored.


In truth, the reason I lost the 2 billion ISK was because I fialed to protect myself. I was far too trusting, even though I knew better.


I think that the reality of the game is that 3/4ths of the players are like you and I. Generally nice guys looking to make friends, hang out helping each other out, and in general, not get our rocks off by your-in-atin in other people's face. But, the 1/4 of the player base that are those immature jerks that act like immature jerks simply becasue the rules let them, can ruin the game for us if we let them.

Anyway,
try to figure out how you want to play the game, and play it that way, and don't EVER let anyone tell you that you are playing it wrong. It's your $15 a month, so you bought the right to play the game however teh heck you want to.


Oh god, CAREBEARS! Shocked

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Winchester Steele
#220 - 2013-01-30 22:56:49 UTC
Not Politically Correct wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:


Have you ever examined your choice to play EVE online? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game with a harsh death penalty when you really really don't like losing stuff? Have you examined the wisdom of playing a game that features non-consensual pvp when you obviously don't like non-consensual pvp?

Rhetorical question, we know the answer for all types who would complain about the events you describe. The answer is no. If the goal is safe co-op space game play, why aren't you playing Star Trek online?


It seems to me that the non-consensual part has become more of a problem since I started playing. I've thought about quitting several times. I gave away all my stufz once. I cut down from 5 accounts to two.

The problem is that I refuse to accept the thought that Eve can't become a better game. Also, Eve is the only on-line game I have ever played. I don't see any reason for me to change my playing style, or move to another game, just because I don't like some of the other players in this one.


Sooooo... CCP and the playerbase should change the fundamental ideology of Eve Online so that you can be perfectly safe to run l4's in your shitfit faction raven? Otherwise you'll unsub all 50 of your accounts? Seems reasonable.

...