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REMOVING ICE FROM HIGH SEC WTF
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Altair Raja
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2011-10-09 20:40:14 UTC
OSGOD wrote:
2: every body knows that low sec is where the low lifes live and the price of ice would far excede that for making a POS even isk stable

Does this mean im a low life?? My main system is a 0.7 but i roam low sec all the time...and what are the null sec people?

Also I've never heard this before but i hope ice is low sec only... then maybe it might be worth the time and effort... Mining is already pointless unless you need the minerals...

AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff!
Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#42 - 2011-10-10 09:17:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuse Senna
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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#43 - 2011-10-10 12:00:29 UTC
Just take all the ice from the game and make it NPC item

Take all the roid belts away from the game and make it NPC item

End of mining bots, well big alliances would still have their bot alts in tengus/carriers cleaning 0.0 rat belts but that's another stuff.

Ho wait, take rat belts away from the game too. Make every zone like 0.0 !! That's it, this is how eve should be: 100 stupid nerds shooting each other and 80% actual players leaving for other games.

You guys ideas rocks....
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#44 - 2011-10-10 12:06:28 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:


Ho wait, take rat belts away from the game too. Make every zone like 0.0 !! That's it, this is how eve should be: 100 stupid nerds shooting each other and 80% actual players leaving for other games.


That implies that 100% of people playing an internet spaceship game are not nerds.

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

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Liev Dleg
Deutsche Recycling GmbH
#45 - 2011-10-10 12:16:05 UTC
Very Interesting!
I have 2 questions:
Why should all the players go into 0.0? It is not so smart you think?
Why do you not accepting players would like to be in a "save" place to make there ISK?

I'm an Industrial and mining is a part of it, Ice or Ore i'm not interested in it.
If the Prices are raising it's all fine, but to many people are don't know what it is worth. We keep your POS in every way running, because you are to lazcy.
Don't bite the hand feeding you!
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#46 - 2011-10-10 18:43:58 UTC
Cause and effect.

If you remove ice from high sec, only the richest players will be able to afford T3 ships. Prices will spike pre-emptively as wormhole residents now scramble to survive. Many people, having had their playstyle decimated for no viable reason will simply unsub, having no desire to go to null in the first place.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#47 - 2011-10-10 18:48:26 UTC
Why do I think that you're concerned mostly about your own profits ?

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#48 - 2011-10-10 18:58:15 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Why do I think that you're concerned mostly about your own profits ?


Probably because you're not very bright. It doesn't require a whole lot of thought to trace out the consequences if there's a massive spike in pos fuel prices. When you make pos's in high sec and wormhole space dependant on fuel coming from null... everything they produce will spike in price, and only those that can continue to afford fuel will be able to keep going.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Anachronic
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2011-10-10 19:15:08 UTC
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Why do I think that you're concerned mostly about your own profits ?


Probably because you're not very bright. It doesn't require a whole lot of thought to trace out the consequences if there's a massive spike in pos fuel prices. When you make pos's in high sec and wormhole space dependant on fuel coming from null... everything they produce will spike in price, and only those that can continue to afford fuel will be able to keep going.


Adapt or die...I'm pretty certain this is the way that eve was meant to be played. I think that POS setups are all too common right now and that we need to have something to curtail it. Everyone and their mother should not be able to run a pos just because.
ohno riceagain
Too Drunk Export Services Inc.
#50 - 2011-10-10 21:57:29 UTC
Anachronic wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Why do I think that you're concerned mostly about your own profits ?


Probably because you're not very bright. It doesn't require a whole lot of thought to trace out the consequences if there's a massive spike in pos fuel prices. When you make pos's in high sec and wormhole space dependant on fuel coming from null... everything they produce will spike in price, and only those that can continue to afford fuel will be able to keep going.


Adapt or die...I'm pretty certain this is the way that eve was meant to be played. I think that POS setups are all too common right now and that we need to have something to curtail it. Everyone and their mother should not be able to run a pos just because.


Im pretty certain your d**k and your brain is really small. ( Adapt or die is for the real world where there is a food chain)

What do you care if me or my mom has a POS. Thats the way I like to play "F" you.

Just because you dont have the intelligence to set up much less manage a POS doesnt mean those with an IQ higher than a Veldspar roid cant do so if we please in Hi-sec or anywhere else.

Its hi-sec because its civilized and the knuckle draggers like you cant stand the thought of nice people doing nice things.

This is internet spaceships where we ALL are supposed to have fun, not YOUR idea of fun.

So because you pay more than I do every month your fricking opinion about what I can and cant do in this game matters?

Its people like you that keep people like me from wanting to go to null sec in the first place.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#51 - 2011-10-10 22:56:35 UTC
Anachronic wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Why do I think that you're concerned mostly about your own profits ?


Probably because you're not very bright. It doesn't require a whole lot of thought to trace out the consequences if there's a massive spike in pos fuel prices. When you make pos's in high sec and wormhole space dependant on fuel coming from null... everything they produce will spike in price, and only those that can continue to afford fuel will be able to keep going.


Adapt or die...I'm pretty certain this is the way that eve was meant to be played. I think that POS setups are all too common right now and that we need to have something to curtail it. Everyone and their mother should not be able to run a pos just because.


Spend a little time hopping around through wormholes. Take note of the abundance of failed pos's you come across. Not everyone can maintain a wormhole pos as it is. This wouldn't be an 'adapt or die' thing... this would border on CCP sanctioned wormhole genocide.

Of course... when people start having to pay well north of a billion isk for a tengu...

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-10-10 23:02:08 UTC
ohno riceagain wrote:
Anachronic wrote:
Ingvar Angst wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Why do I think that you're concerned mostly about your own profits ?


Probably because you're not very bright. It doesn't require a whole lot of thought to trace out the consequences if there's a massive spike in pos fuel prices. When you make pos's in high sec and wormhole space dependant on fuel coming from null... everything they produce will spike in price, and only those that can continue to afford fuel will be able to keep going.


Adapt or die...I'm pretty certain this is the way that eve was meant to be played. I think that POS setups are all too common right now and that we need to have something to curtail it. Everyone and their mother should not be able to run a pos just because.


Im pretty certain your d**k and your brain is really small. ( Adapt or die is for the real world where there is a food chain)

What do you care if me or my mom has a POS. Thats the way I like to play "F" you.

Just because you dont have the intelligence to set up much less manage a POS doesnt mean those with an IQ higher than a Veldspar roid cant do so if we please in Hi-sec or anywhere else.

Its hi-sec because its civilized and the knuckle draggers like you cant stand the thought of nice people doing nice things.

This is internet spaceships where we ALL are supposed to have fun, not YOUR idea of fun.

So because you pay more than I do every month your fricking opinion about what I can and cant do in this game matters?

Its people like you that keep people like me from wanting to go to null sec in the first place.



This but you are wasting your time.
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
#53 - 2011-10-11 04:18:29 UTC
A buddy of mine made a nice comparison of no more High Sec ice to the current Goonswarm Gallente ice Debacle.

Don't know what I mean? Check the market history on Oxygen Isotopes.

The same thing would happen to all Isotope types, were this to be implemented.



No more WH POS's, no more high sec research POS's.

95% of the players are loving EVE, the other 5%? On the forums.
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#54 - 2011-10-11 04:29:02 UTC
pussnheels wrote:

So calm down i don't expect they will be taking ice away from high sec and give it to the nullsec idiots and let the whole economy go into a deep ressecsion it will never recover from


How can you have a recession with perfectly elastic wagerates?
Ender Sai
Perkone
Caldari State
#55 - 2011-10-12 10:16:27 UTC
Trolls trolling trolls.

It seems OP is very confused, ice mining must be an unhealthy addictive activity that forces people to sit at their computers 23/7. Clearly goons are just on a humanitarian mission with only the good health of their fellow players in mind.

You only reap the rewards of a cooked goose after thanks giving, so for now he'll have to live with cold turkey.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2011-10-12 10:28:31 UTC
Ender Sai wrote:
Clearly goons are just on a humanitarian mission with only the good health of their fellow players in mind.

This guy gets it.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
pooper stain
Pyrrhic-Victory
#57 - 2011-10-12 17:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: pooper stain
I would LOVE for them to move ICE to null/low WITH some conditions:

A.) ICE must spawn at all grav sites and scaned out, NO ice patch on overview period.

B.)Cycle times be reduced

C.) Macks get a +2 warp stab built in

It would give miners some nice isk/hour finally with some kind of servivability.
Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2011-10-12 21:52:36 UTC
kyrv wrote:
Don't you think making 0.0 empires mine their own ice is worth watching? Belligerent Super cap pilots may still be.



Oh now that would be just evil. But they would just use bots.
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#59 - 2011-10-16 18:00:06 UTC
pooper stain wrote:
I would LOVE for them to move ICE to null/low WITH some conditions:

A.) ICE must spawn at all grav sites and scaned out, NO ice patch on overview period.

B.)Cycle times be reduced

C.) Macks get a +2 warp stab built in

It would give miners some nice isk/hour finally with some kind of servivability.


This does nothing to alleviate the incredible stupidity of such a concept however.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#60 - 2011-10-16 18:18:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
From a "is it profitable" standpoint, removing ice from hisec is a GOOD thing. Too damn many bots as it is.Twisted

Now, if CCP goes through with it, here's what we'll see happen:

1. the buyers will cry
2. the botters will cry
3. enterprising corporations and alliances will make bank as they move to lowsec to obtain the ice.

Now, from looking at dotlan, I haven't seen a SINGLE lowsec system that has ice without a station. That's a "bad thing" in the "safety" department, as it's nearly impossible to kick someone out of a system with NPC stations...

If they're really going to go through with this, I'd like to see CCP move at least some of the "permanent" ice fields (assuming there will still be "permanent" belts... regardless of whether or not they can be depleted) to deeper lowsec that doesn't have a station (i.e. not right next door to hisec). If it's going to be in grav sites (and a relative ***** to find... ), then it would be nice to get some of the nullsec variants as well...

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia