Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is true, but a battlecruiser is at least somewhat easier to kill with a BS. BS doesn't stand a chance against a SC.

No, that's a worse idea. Tier 2 BCs already obsolete the Deimos, Sacrilege and all cruisers that aren't the Blackbird, and you want to make this situation worse? All that does is remove the "tier 2" from "tier 2 battlecruisers Online". Tier 2 battlecruisers are the problem, not the solution.

is it possible to look this problem from a differt angle : the trouble isn't really about the fact that the drake is really a good ship. But the fact that the others BC are really weak and useless. Even with exellent resists an armor tanker is a lot more easy to kill than a shield tanker because shields are a lot more easier to recharge.
We really have to think one more time to the benefits of the shield tanking, is it natural to be able to run a shield boost oversized?

How exactly does buffing the diemost, sac etc etc make the situation worse?

Yeah, it's just the "no nerfs under any circumstances whatsoever" argument. Which has two main problems - firstly, that it leads to incredibly difficult balancing changes (oh look, we have to boost every frigate in the game instead of nerfing the Dramiel), and secondly, there's no bloody difference between, in this case, leaving the Dramiel be and boosting every other ship, and simply nerfing the Dramiel. Done properly, it leaves the balance of power the same in both cases, while it's much easier to do the job badly if you're attempting to change several dozen ships instead of just one.

drake needs a re balance but you are incredibly incoherent

i think a few of the tier 2 bc's need a rebalance but as this is a drake thread:::


if you look at the missile line of caldari ships they tend to have rof/ 5% damage to ken, and a range bonus.

if you look at the caldari gun ships they tend to have range/damage and resist bonus.

the drake sticks out as being a missile ship with a resist bonus, bar the nighthawk and a scorp navy.

the mix of being able to do 750 dps with 80kehp and mwd scam web is overpowerd
the fact it can hit out to lockrange with 80kehp with mwd point is overpowerd.
the fact it can fit mwd, dual web, and still have 45k ehp without a dcII and still do 500 dps+ is overpowerd.

all other bc have to seriously sacrifice for tank or takle to get anywhere near these numbers

ferox is already a great ship with a strong tank and great damage with blasters, caldari dont need another powerful close range bc with a resist bonus. so get rid of the resist bonus. the drake would still be powerful without it. give it a range bonus and keep lock-range low.

battlecruisers generally have become far more popular due to the smaller battlefield because of lower speeds, medrange is now king speed is less important and missile drakes and hurricanes fill that role nicely. there is no longer a need for allot of the specialisation t2 offers, heavy assault ships are less useful now and i think people should have more incentives to use their sp. it would be nice to see ships like the cerb more used

I think tier 2 bc were the most heavy handedly introduced ship class in the game, they almost completely overshadow commandships even before t3. i dont understand why they wernt properly ballanced before iteration or why cs wernt peoperly boosted afterwards

sorry but 750 dps with 80k ehp is pretty insane

This. Stop with the nerfs and start buffing things. Nerfing is the ez button, a crappy solution to people QQing. Incidentally, I'm not even sure why this thread exists, the PvE aspect of the game is pretty self-contained and shouldn't affect others in such a manner.

Cookie cutting. Anti-sandbox effects. Market skewed.

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Side note: I finally made a fit that works for worm holes with Cyclone. I can do C2s and needs some help for combat sites in C3s, gets pretty hammered for Radars and Mags though. Can solo C3 grav and ladar.

That might change once I have more supporting modules and tweak it a bit.

I fixed your post. Honestly, it's far more accurate like this. Perpetual boosts and the subsequent cancer of power-creep occur because people are too scared of hurting people's feelings to be brave enough to make the right decision. Far easier to boost things and let the idiots think that boosting one ship isn't a relative nerf to all the rest.