EVE General Discussion

They're not, I assure you.

The CSM has no real authoritative power in the end, they cannot force CCP to implement anything even if they wanted to. They exist today as a sounding board, a place to bounce ideas off of and engage in a dialogue so that players have a voice with regards to upcoming development.

As for why a 0.0 CSM is speaking about Faction Warfare, the answer is simple:

1) There is a 0.0 CSM because not enough players voted for non-0.0 candidates. Voting in the upcoming election has never been more crucial if we want to change that demographic.

2) They are speaking about FW because CCP placed that item on their itinerary for discussion. They also delivered on the promise that they would deliver our list of wishes and desires to CCP during the discussion. I asked them to do that, they did, so I personally owe them some thanks. At least CCP now has some community feedback, from Faction Warfare pilots themselves, in their hands. This is progress however you slice it.

Ahhh yes, good point. And yes, the two should absolutely be separate systems in terms of gameplay. The only common thread between the two is that both systems have the same predicament - broken mechanics lead to stagnation and lack of player participation.

However, just because we are both in the same situation does not mean there is a one-size-fits all solution. Your question is powerfully phrased - why would we want to decrease variety in EvE?

Thankfully this is just in the "stuff needs to be fixed" stage of the convo, we shouldn't all panic that we are having nullsec crammed down our throats.....yet.

Please keep the pitchforks sharp and under your bedsides, folks. You'll know when to bust them out when the time comes....though hopefully it won't come to that.

To be fair, CSM 6 has been pretty respectful of the fact that they don't know much about low sec or faction war. So I don't think they were pushing any big agenda here. It doesn't sound like CSM said allot.

But yeah the one thing they did say was pretty terrible. We just need to let ccp know that.

Yes I have to agree Mittani seems to see the gap that FW can fill.(Casual players need a quick action option - he mentions some sort of arena idea.) But I don't think he realizes how FW occupancy plexing can fill the gap. He's almost there.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=658801#post658801

My views on what was written in the CSM Meeting Notes.

Merging 0.0 and Faction Warfare Sov mechanics is annoying and means that CCP might still think FW to be a noob thing that people use to experience PvP on their way to Null Sec. This is untrue, I believe along with most of us in FW that 0.0 Sov mechanics and FW Occupancy are two seperate entities and should be treated as such. The fact that CCP still treats FW as a subordinate to Null instead of an equal shows that theres still work to be done.

As for electing leaders of Militia? HA I laugh at the idea. The system would be rife with corruption and any person elected to this position would not be neutral in anyway. Militia by nature is not supposed to be unified under a single leader. The individual corps and eventually Alliances working together of their own volition is what makes FW so enjoyable and unique. Any sort of unifying power a leader might have would be limited at best and would be outweighed by the obvious deficiencies and the fact that any amount of unsavory characters would claw their way into the position. Leave that kind of politics in 0.0 please.

in short still no meaningful ideas that I can see except the ones that stink of 0.0 influence. Can we just get to the elections so I can lobby for Hanz and actually have my voice heard for once.

Edit:Hanz for CSM I mean

I do like the idea of giving more control to players in regards of strategy/focus and occupancy.

The more game features that just clone the same mechanics, means there is less true variety of things to do in eve.

"The CSM presented a list of smaller issues that were raised by the FW community. CCP promised to look at the list, but pointed out that issues that had to do with Crimewatch (the system that manages aggression timers, security status hits, criminal flags and other lowsec mechanics) were unlikely to be addressed without the Crimewatch rewrite that CCP is planning."

WTF?

Not only is this response ridiculous on its face its untrue. CCP is going to fix the main bug with repping people in fw.

How they could look at this thread and come up with that response is beyond me. What was the actual list presented does anyone know for sure?

Those minutes were pretty poor. Not at all in the direction of the entire player-base that has been speaking out so loudly.

I believe it's simply a case that next to no CCP employees, CSM, or anyone else of weight, has any genuine experience with FW. So they do actually see it as a "little thing" on the side that can be used as testbed.... that is so idiotic... *sigh*

I think there will be some positive results eventually though. I think letting outside alliances in is a terrible idea, but if that mechanic means that current FW corps can form internal alliances, that will be sweet. A leadership system could create more direction, although I hate drama, and it will surely produce some of that too... one of the reasons I'm in FW is to avoid drama... thanks CCP.

All I can do is hope some changes will allow me to have more (or at least equal) fun in FW.

In a vast majority of cases I haven't found this to be the case. Plus if someone wants a fight in a plex they will stay inside and give you time to select the correct one on D-scan. The more flighty plex runners will be warping out as soon as you're on short scan anyway.

The plethora of plexes is much more desirable over the old mechanic where plexes were absent.

I also question the association between FW and casual PvP. Personally, I find small skirmish warfare to be much more demanding on individual pilots where the weakest link is quickly weeded out. In general I think more FW pilots have been exposed to close fights than much of the PvP that happens in null which is heavily dependent on fleet composition, logistics (not the ship type) and pure attrition. From my experience in 0.0, only a fraction of the population regularly engages in solo or skirmish pvp, and usually only fights during large fleets or CTAs.

As far as the carrot on the stick is concerned, LP can be a major draw, but currently the main issue in FW is the risk/reward balance. The current mission types (particularly L4s) are far too easy to run without an engagement. Plexes offer a greater chance of engagement, but offer no LP. While the highest risk - actual PvP - offers a negligible amount of LP.