Live Events Discussion

Then maybe you should check.

That was supposed to be ironic understatement, given the 100% resistences.

You're right, freighters didn't exist, and neither did motherships, however the "Kairiola" did.

She was a one off design, a huge water freighter that was the only thing large enough to be retrofitted into a fighter carrier in an attempt to counter Gallente drone technology.

So yes, there was one freighter in existence, but it was a single one off vessel that was specifically created to carry water.

The modern day Chimera is still based off of her hull design over 100 years later.

Did the supposed PF bible say that the the Kairiola was a one off water freighter the size of a modern day Chimeria, or did you just decide on the spot that since it says 'The Chimera’s design is based upon the Kairiola' that that is what it meant?

BTW the term freighter was used often in early PF to describe Badgers, Iterons, Hoarders etc and a Mark Two Badger is 554 meters long and a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier is only 332 meters long. A hunk of metal over half a kilomter long crashing into a city is more that enough EPIC AWESOME to suit my needs.

This image put out by CCP has the badger at what looks like 850M long:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/recent/verone3784/bp-badger.jpg

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-factors-determine-the-damage-of-an-asteroid-impact.htm



Using just my eyeball it looks like the Chimera is about 10 times the length of a badger putting it somewhere between three and eight kilometers long. That's enough to put Luminaire into a nuclear winter and do way more damage than what has been previously indicated in PF.

So...Did you just on the spot retcon PF so that Yakiya Tovil-Toba hit Luminaire with an extinction level event instead of a single city?

Yes, i know thats not what you intended and that suggesting you were is silly but I'm tying to make a point about willy nilly changing or putting your spin on fiction that's been around for years. Just be careful please! You might identically kill all the Gallenteans without noticing.

It's a vessel, that even aesthetically, looks like no other in EVE.

A standard industrial would be in no way large enough to support a full squadron of fighters, plus their crews, their backup pilots, backup fighters, spare parts, their arming and maintenance technicians and all the facilities required to effectively run a wing of fighters.

As someone who is a qualified Structural, Electrical, Robotic, Mechanical and Hydraulic design and maintenance Engineer, comparing any ship in EVE, even indirectly to that of a present day navy is a completely ridiculous notion given that these vessels are based on a technological and military timeline that's on a completely different scale to what the advancements of today are.

Take the timeline itself. Most of the largest advances in real life "modern warfare" - the tank, the aircraft, the aircraft carrier, the battleship as we know it, the submarine, have all been concepted, perfected and developed in the last hundred years. Then people are attempting to compare these advancements with those that have been made over the course of a ten thousand year time span (not including the "dark ages" of New Eden).

That's a time span that's 100 times longer. Not to mention that current day "modern warfare" equipment is designed for the sole purpose of being used on a planetary surface. In New Eden, designers can quite rightly think a lot larger, a lot heavier, purely because of the fact that they're operating in a completely different environment. For instance, just considering simple scale, try walking this MTAC, or this one, which are commonly used for industrial work, repairs, welding, re-arming, and other such tasks down one of the gangways on a Nimitz class carrier, and let me know how that goes for you.

Prime fiction also states that the ship didn't strike Gallente Prime directly. It fragmented and broke up in the atmosphere on re-entry, hitting several locations on the planet's surface. Coupled with the fact that it would have been travelling at a fraction of the speed that an asteroid would strike a celestial body, I really don't see the validity of your argument to be fair.

Regardless, you need to remember the fact that until recently I was in the same position as yourself, with the same opinions regarding the direction of EVE's story line and the events that have transpired over the last 5 years. I still have those same opinions, they haven't changed since I've joined the company, and I'm very happy to say that i'm among a lot of like minded individuals.

Right now, we're looking at a very solid change of direction that will unfold over the next year. As I've said before, a lot of wrongs will be set right, and it's going to open up a lot of cans of worms, for a lot of people.

Things are going to get a lot worse for all of the major factions in terms of blurring the lines, and some very harsh world shaping events before the balance is restored.

Trust me though, there's a lot of cleanup to be done given events of the last 5 years, and the two guys working on storyline right now are CCP Abraxas and CCP Gnauton, who go WAY back to EVE's fledgling beginnings in 2003. We've had LONG talks about where we want things to go from here.

The guys who're working on organizing live events are both former EVE roleplayers, myself (I'll be celebrating 10 years as an EVE roleplayer in May), as the guy who's co-ordinating, designing and organizing all the Live Events based on the storyline we're given by Abraxas and Gnauton, and CCP Eterne (who's been with EVE as a roleplayer for over 7 years), who's dealing with writing all the pre and post event news, along with assisting and overseeing ISD Mercury's involvement.

All that I'll ask is that I know that there have been some severe ups and downs in the RP community since The Empyrean Age expansion hit. Don't be disheartened. Things are going to get black, and at first events may dishearten the loyalists of certain factions even further, but in the same respect we need to really pound the life out of what's there now to smooth things over throughout the next year.

But yeah, lets keep this discussion off the Live Events forum. Fiction discussion should be in the right place. All I want to emphasize is that we're aware of the more "Hardcore" RPers concerns, and respect the fact that a lot of our "immersioneers" have put a lot of time into their characters and corporations. We're working to restore order, just bear with us and see things through, because really when it comes down to it, we love you guys .

This I completely agree on, and I'm not disputing... what I'm saying is that trying to compare the hardware of a modern day navy, to a navy that's in a setting 20,000 years into the future is pretty silly. Sure, roles will be similar, but the technology, construction, size, shape and even purpose of a lot of the hardware won't resemble eachother for the best part.

Well, it's been a good 7,000 years since the fall of the Dark Ages, and the start of the Age Of Expansion. Hence why I used 10,000 years in my first post in reply to Hamish.

I was more commenting on the sheer span of time between present day and the setting of EVE, in the post you quoted

It's probably worth noting that eve ships wouldn't be trying to mimic modern analogs. They would also have to mimic the roles of the modern air force as well. And last I checked, every attempt to replace a whole air fleet with one plane has failed miserably.


Lol @ noobs who think they are experts in every damned thing, just because they read something in the newspaper back when newspapers still existed

why is the display quality of the billboard worse as my grandmothers TV? All lies! Eve is a WW2 submarine simulator.

Well let's do consider that frigates in cost used to be more expensive than aircraft carriers (as per inflation, manpower, and technological costs of the day) and where the top of the line ship in their day as well.

Britain nearly conquered the whole planet with a fleet of these.