EVE General Discussion

Oh you had access to the micro jump drive before retribution?

Well if you dont want to use that tactic either then you can go for a close range pulse nightmare with extra tracking.

Because the AI is still easier. Relevant because you still really haven't hit "hard mode" yet.

I dont think a NM can soak the pain required to face them point blank. I cant fly it, but the incoming DPS is pretty special, tore strips off my SNI previously and that has a rather good tank indeed.


@Remiel Pollard Comparing PvE to PvP is simply ridiculous and I shant address it further with you. I was also unaware the blobbing and gate camps are the new yardstick for 'hard mode' thanks for clearing that up.

Well theres a blaster protius. Smaller sig, faster, great damage and can tank. Slap on an afterburner and you shouldn't have too many issues. Or go vindicator and just nuke everything.

Again, missions where you warp in, and have many scram frigs on you auto-engage.
It's supposed to shut down the MJD...


That works, agreed.
My question: Should a T3 be the entry level for L4s?

While I agree the combo of the drone changes, incessant eWar and full room aggro is messed up, I do not feel that a pilot with poor core skills should be able to run Lvl 4 missions solo.

That is one of the problems that I think CCP is trying to cure, it's just too much curre at once.

I don't know it was ever a problem. I remember how long those things took with low skills.

Achieveble, yes, but took AGES.

It is pretty sad when a member of the CSM who supposedly represents high sec claimed there is no defect in the AI that people can use to still run drone missions. When that loophole is closed it is lights out for us.

Pretty much indicates that it is completely over for high sec mission runners.

Oh, and ISD, before you think about banning me for trolling, ranting, or personal attacks on a CSM member, you might want to actually read the CSM member's statement about there not being a loophole, then me posting the dev exact statement about the loophole existing, and highlighting the part about the loophole the CSM member says does not exist.

Oh, and before I get banned and can't post (we must not state facts on the forums, especially when they make certain people look bad), how do I contact Internal Affairs?

Realize just how long it takes to get "core" skills up. You may not remember, but think back when your character was 1-3 months old. Doing a single L4, if it was doable at all, would take you a VERY long time. I remember doing "Duo of Death", arguably the easiest L4 there is (just 2 big battleships with colossal tanks). My first attempt, I couldn't even break their tanks, using proper ammo and drones. Spent the next 5 days skilling up a bit more, and finally managed to do it. As it was, it took about 40 mins to do the mission, and payout from bounties was 2 million ISK. Yet you feel that a new pilot shouldn't be able to do it? Why the heck not? It's not like ISK/hr is great when you are low SP. In fact, until you hit about 6-8 mil (3-4 months' training, roughly) your income is absolutely pathetic.

And once your skills are good, you usually move on from missions anyway! You go into WHs or start running more profitable plexes or what have you, or join FW and farm LP there. Etc., etc.

In a way, missions are there FOR new players, who still need structure and guidance more than anything, so that they don't become hopelessly lost. Missions are also incredibly helpful with immersion and getting the player into EVE lore. You just don't get that connection doing anything else in the game. And what this change does is build a giant 100 foot wall covered with barbed wire and alligators perched at the top, before a player can go from L3 to L4. Who does that help? I mean, really, who benefits? OK, that's debatable. But who definitely gets pummeled by this? You guessed it, new players! And at the same time CCP is moaning that the new player retention isn't good and they're working on improving it? Well, how about improving it by NOT kicking new players in the face with this stuff when they're just getting into the game?