Crime & Punishment

I do realy think that the best solution to bump is this:

About bump in Hi sec: transform it in a semi illegal practice. For example : during the day 24h 1st bump the bumper gests a warning. Second bump e turns in to a outlaw and 3 bump concord takes action against him. The bumped player has the right to forgive the bumper so in case of accidental bump the bumper don’t take penalty. In fleet it do not get penalty to. Cause its normal to be bumped in fleet warping.

Ive had some thoughts on this and i figure this is as good of a place than any to dump them.

i think bumping is fine. it has been used as a primitive means of disrupting warp and keeping targets on grid since as long as i have known in eve. it is a sound part of eve that does not need to be changed mechanic wise.

however, there has been talk of an anti bump module and from my view i think it would be interesting to bring this into eve. allow me to explain.

for warp disruptors, we have, warp stabilizers. for jammers, we have sensor backup arrays. why not have a module that allows you temporary immunity to bumping? at least as a prototype module in an update. this module will have a few uses in eve such as, keeping miners stationary, allow freighters to be immune to bumping, and allow freighters and transport ships an added safety measure of not being able to be bumped while transporting goods.

a few things i would like to point out for discussion:

1. this module would most likely become a highslot module

2. this module would not "anchor" the ship in space, but would remain on course when bumped. in addition, it cannot change course while the module is active. it will follow the last directional command given to it. ex: warp, orbit, alighn.

3. the module would require a mild amount of capacitor to be activated. enough that it would allow a ship to get out of a tough situation, but not remain activated indefinite. approx 15-45 seconds depending on ship.

4.whether this module may be fully active or cycle once then need to be activated again. its something to be discussed. keep in mind the capacitor should drain fairly quickly if fully active.

5. the module should require some kind of fuel. similar to a cyno module.

6. the module should take a bit of time to train up to use. about 15-20 days in my opinion. additional training of the skill required to use the module should decrease the capacitor use rate or increase the cycle time by %5.

7.if this module is to be brought into game for freighters, the freighters themselves would need a makeover. a highslot and enough cpu/powergrid to fit the module.

above all else, keep in mind. this module will only work if a player chooses to put one on his/her ship by sacrificing a highslot. it will not change the fundamental mechanic of bumping in eve. please discuss these thoughts and ideas, and if you have any criticism please make it constructive and detailed as to why you disagree.

At first, I thought miner bumping was hilarious. Pitifully so, as most gankers seemed to join the band wagon in response to the barge buff, but nonetheless humorous. I even saw profit potential for selling gank ships and mining barges in affected systems. Then I actually watched them do it, and watched the interactions. In any other game, in any other situation, and especially in any place in the real world, what I saw was harassment and would have been treated as such legally.

Eve is indeed a dark and dystopian game, but as said before, it is a game. Games are meant to be enjoyed. There is no joy here, save for that of a few school yard bullies enjoying 0-risk griefing. Even with the upcoming bounty changes, these individuals would still be at no risk unless they happened to pod someone, and that someone happens to sell the rights to the bumper's death. IF that person even remembers he has a kill right on them, which I doubt many do.

In the end, this "emergent game play" has crossed a line. Eve is meant to be fun, frustrating, but fun. It is meant to encourage pvp and some griefing, not out right harassment with offending individuals hiding behind the guise of "emergent game play," and questionable sanctions. Nor is it meant to encourage targeted harassment. I am reminded of the Mittani and his antics at Fan Fest, which subsequently led to his ban. Granted the situation is not comparable to what the Mittani did, but it is nonetheless a form of targeted harassment.

It's sad to see any kind of condoning for this behavior. A gank is one thing, this is another. The only emergent thing about this situation, is an emergent testing method to determine how much harassment and grief casual gamers and players will take before they vote with their wallet and seek more welcoming fields. I know of a few who already have, much to my disappointment.

I wish for Eve to thrive, not die because a few angry gankers want their tears.

Where in EULA is AFK something that needs to be apologized?? you like bump ok some people like to be afk. why what you like is better than the others like. AFK don't bother no body, bump bother. The only reason i think bump needs to be penalized like i sayed in the other post is that this cause some direct trouble to other players. Wile been AFK cause trouble just him self in case of mining cargo gets full and he lost mining time and money.

and just for record i did some AFK some times i got bumped and i do not get angry with that. but once im not AFK and people start pump me cause i dint pay then 10 m, and keep doing it and after no success bumping they Gank me that pist me off!. And Sadly that is what New Order do.

Where in EULA is AFK something that needs to be apologized?? you like bump ok some people like to be afk. why what you like is better than the others like. AFK don't bother no body, bump bother. The only reason i think bump needs to be penalized like i sayed in the other post is that this cause some direct trouble to other players. Wile been AFK cause trouble just him self in case of mining cargo gets full and he lost mining time and money.

and just for record i did some AFK some times i got bumped and i do not get angry with that. but once im not AFK and people start pump me cause i dint pay then 10 m, and keep doing it and after no success bumping they Gank me that pist me off!. And Sadly that is what New Order do.

Is being camped in station or being chased across highsec by wartargets, for hours at a time, also considered 'griefing' and 'harassment'? Or perhaps it's just admirable persistence.


The same arguments could be made for wartargets interacting with each other. There is nothing wrong with persistence. I suppose if I began getting upset about it, my wartargets are obligated to leave me in peace?

Persistence is not the same as 'harassment' or 'griefing'.

With all due respect, this is not about interaction or not with people is about bumping or not, bumping be punish our not. IF you have a problema with AFK gank then, but don't bump players that are online Just cause they don't pay you. In my caseI'm in the key board all times some times just alt tab to check e-mail our check other char windows, work our FB. You can open a topic our file petitions against AFK.

I have no problema with bump our gank if is in a fair and reason way. but NOA Hide his stortions telling that they bump and gank AFK people but the truth is much diferent. that is my problema with new order the lies and the spams in chat and bump and gank people that are not AFK.