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Could you please point to the Lo-sec patch before the FW one like Null had in Dominion?

It's dissapointing to read:



When the following applies:

Sovereignty mechanics include: Industry Upgrades - allowing belts of high-end minerals to form and remain up at all times.

Industry Upgrades are as follows:

Index
Level Mined volume to obtain (m3) Volume/day to maintain (m3) Man-hours/day to maintain
1............1,500,000......................................750,000.........................................4.55
2............3,000,000......................................1,500,000......................................9.1
3............6,000,000......................................3,000,000......................................18.2
4............12,000,000....................................6,000,000......................................36.4
5............24,000,000....................................12,000,000....................................72.8**


at level 5 Industry the required 72.8 man hours of mining to maintain is such that it would take 72 people 1hr of mining, 37 people 2hrs of mining, or 18 people mining 4 hours.


to quote Bloodtear industries guide:

Now the relative profit rates mining each ore type assuming perfect refine:
Ore ISK/hr
Arkonor 61,182,258
Bistot 47,917,634
Crokite 36,227,258
Mercoxit 30,134,016
Gneiss 19,596,239
Dark Ochre 19,292,428
Spodumain 17,393,404
Scordite 15,449,794
Plagioclase 14,631,242
Kernite 13,905,731
Veldspar 13,609,610
Hedbergite 13,389,607
Pyroxeres 11,854,366
Hemorphite 11,435,033
Jaspet 9,804,862
Omber 9,245,769

If the above was correct at the time of publication its still safe to assume that mining in hi-sec would generate an income lower than 15.5mil per hour, no Rorqual / Orca support lowers this further.

Hi-sec mining is in no way as profitable.

To upgrade the industry level of a system is outlined above but let's not forget what happens when you upgrade the Military level:

Bounties around 36mil per hour solo grinding Sanctums, increased likelihood of DED Complexes - potential for 800mil modules, increased likelihood of Wormhole access from the upgraded system (to WH's that have null-sec entrances).

Hi-sec ratting varies, but is less profitable generally due to the number of floating Combat sites being a limited number.

Which illustrates two ways that null-sec systems can be tailored to accomodate a sense of ownership, if there was a module to upgrade a system to increase the likelihood of PVP most would be happier?

Now it's no shock to look back over the "Vote xx for CSM" threads and see the topic of the day back then being addressed. At the start of 2012 (February) the topic revolved loosely around gun-mining in Drone Regions. Most vocal commentators were unhappy with the high income generated by gunmining and it was put forward for the nerf stick - lowering the income of the Drone Regions drastically.

Faction Warfare was also tabled by the CSM as an area needing re-interation.

Incursions were a PvE feature that caused uproar due to the ISK gains per hour - 100-200mil ISK per hour per person but needing 7-10 players to achieve. Really, the incursions were a great way to increase the reward for group activity.

Whilst watching the Incursion Influence chart on the Mission log window it would show hi-sec incursions being farmed at "Incursion is at an end" and null-sec incursions would remain at "Sansha influence is 100% in this area" these two scales would remain for around 3-4 days.

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My point is, Iterations have been made to improve the fun-per-hour, and are now being referred to as isk-faucets. Whereas the tabled amendment to this process is: Make null-sec more profitable.

Which will lead to mudflation.

Can you specify which resources were "wasted", exactly? Or do you mean wasted in the sense that they were spent on nullsec at all?

If you're going to try and claim that empire didn't get much more development than null since Dominion, we can end this right now, since it's evidently not the case.

Which you can thank CSM 6 for. You're welcome.

Thanks so the 15% population of lo-sec has had inferno and Empyrean Age.

While Null has had work done minor or major in

• Cold War
• Red Moon Rising
• Revelations II
• Dominion
• Tyranis
• Incursion
• Incarna
• Crucible (well just before TiDi)

And no the work done on removing drone bays was not equal to the work done on lo-sec in inferno but all up Null has had a lot more hours spent on its 20% than lo-secs 15% of the population.

Yes, a basic understanding of how CCP plans their expansions and allocates their resources. But, hey, join the club as that's been a mystery to even people that work there for years. v0v Trying to apply any sort of logic to why CCP does what they do on a year to year basis is pointless. They always have and will continue to confound logical thinking.

You are also completely ignoring the absolute **** up that Dominion was and many of the other WTF development strategies CCP has attempted in the past 3-5 years. This argument of yours about % of resources to this or that geographic area of space are completely pointless. CCP doesn't give a damn about null or high or anything because of where it is - they follow the subscriber numbers and marketing potential, along with about half a dozen other factors. You keep talking like CCP Unifex is all, "Well, let's work on LOW / HIGH / NULL sec this expansion!!" but that is simply not the case. Cripes, I honestly wish it was in some cases because trying to predict the criteria they use for decision making is often utterly pointless.

Lastly, yes, if something is broken as bad as null sec is they need to FIX IT. Dominion was the ONLY attempt since Revelations 2 that actually touched the Sov system and it was a disaster of implementation. It is one of THE core mechanics of the game and it's a miracle people are still willing to endure the absolute travesty that is ~conquering space~. Letting it sit as is will be a grave mistake on CCP's part.

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Is this a reference to the calling of reinforcements? I can't see how that is broken.

If goonswarm have 10k players and 968 null-sec systems can house them that would be 10 players per system?

More to the point: Content in null-sec has normalised, please can we have some more?

EDIT: moving from Syndicate to Stain via Delve was a good opportunity to see a blockade, a corporation had bubbled both ends of a pipeline system. Enter system in bubbles, warp to stargate surrounded by bubbles. Passing through there at downtime showed that it is still predictable. Enter system as cluster shuts down and turbo-login to warp to other bubbles before people get online.

Corestwo's last 15 posts revolve around GTC's, PLEX and

It's a bit vague, what i'm trying to say is, on that trip from Syndicate to Stain I took screenshots of local so the rest of the Alliance could see where the density was. That stretch, around 10:00-12:45 server time was pretty much empty.

This does not fix the existing problem of compressed materials being fundamentally bad for making it easy to transport bulk material from point A to point B, which directly enabled supercap proliferation.