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Pulling the Plug on WiS

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#881 - 2013-01-15 18:02:11 UTC
The F Word wrote:
and with EVE becoming the pillar for DUST .



So the mighty capsuleers are slaves now to the planet overlords?

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#882 - 2013-01-15 18:13:00 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
If WIS was in the picture ,then that cell we live in would be expanded.


Hey, I can just pull make-believe arguments from my butte and then deny them too.

Shelved means shelved.

Now, if you think they're lying to string people along, that would be a valid argument.


The promise of team Avatar would be such a lie ,until proven otherwise.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#883 - 2013-01-15 18:17:00 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Kinda amazed that this is still on-going.
WiS is a stalled sideline, not terribly important, but there's no real reason to do anything about it - now, or in the imediate future. It's an artefact of financial and development constraints, and should be left as such.

At some future point, when Dust is solid, and WoD has been acted upon - either killed, or developed - WiS will be revisited. Until that time, why all the energy wasted on what is essentially a dead horse?



So its ok to put resources on a dead game like WOD and of course the console crap game called DUST (Ghazu ,a few post more and you can blame me for repeating sentences ) but not on something for EvE.

Nice mis-interpretation there. Strawman, much?Roll
WoD, as I said - See it says it right up there^ - 'to be acted upon,' such action to include either development or a bullet to the head. Stop reading your internal script - the world is more than the voices in your head.

OTOH, Dust is real. Get used to it, and learn to live with it.

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As long you guys say this ,you all sound like idiots.

Compelling argument there. Roll

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Approving the shoot planet expansion and the almost dead vampire game opposed to some kind of real expansion to Eve is beyond me .
Again, the world is more than the voices in your head - Look around - Other people have priorities different than your own.

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But don,t talk about taking resources away from FIS,while WOD and DUST is still in development .

Who talked about taking resources away from anything? Certainly not me. Again, stop reading the script in your own head - you're begining to sound not entirely connected to the real world.

My interest was why people are still beating this dead horse. Congratulations - You appear to have answered my question: Insanity.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#884 - 2013-01-15 18:27:26 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
silens vesica wrote:
Who talked about taking resources away from anything? Certainly not me. Again, stop reading the script in your own head - you're begining to sound not entirely connected to the real world.

My interest was why people are still beating this dead horse. Congratulations - You appear to have answered my question: Insanity.



silens vesica wrote:
Kinda amazed that this is still on-going.
WiS is a stalled sideline, not terribly important, but there's no real reason to do anything about it - now, or in the imediate future. It's an artefact of financial and development constraints, and should be left as such.

At some future point, when Dust is solid, and WoD has been acted upon - either killed, or developed - WiS will be revisited. Until that time, why all the energy wasted on what is essentially a dead horse?


not really ,but i bet you are happy with DUST ,good for you


Edit : i saw in another post you don,t play DusT ,sorry

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#885 - 2013-01-15 18:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Ghazu wrote:
jesus christ you sound like a rabid Issler fan, sci simulator I agree on that point. The keyword you are forgetting is Content/Gameplay. Emoting is not, bars and minigames and selling some goddamn boosters when I can alt-r for the market is not.

If the above is all wis is to you people then lol wis is not worth its electricity to run.

CCP is not my five year old daughter, where she may draw little pictures and take little baby steps and I'll be right there cheering her on.
F. the baby steps. The whole things needs to be standing on its own merits flawed or not.
I'll tell you what's delaying wis, it's the concepts, sure the csm saw something they liked. But to put it live? I don't think so, it has to be un-goonable, rules and engagement, mechanics, all them big conceptual stuff. The stuff you myopic emote lovers are clamoring for, they are easy nobrainer features. They can be done in five minutes.
There shall be no emoting first gameplay later. These things need to be said, by somebody since CCP is all don't ask don't tell about wis.

CCP has done nothing but take baby steps for 10 years. Why do you think they've done otherwise?

And I play dust, and support the development of it.
I also want to play WoD if it ever releases, and support development of it.

I also happen to suppotr the idea of team avatar actually working on WiS, because I don't have a problem with 5 guys in CCP doing something that actually expands EVE within the actual game of EVE.

As well a supporting them doing it in small steps, as was the original plan, because that's how CCP has done things for 10 ******* years.

Iteration is they're development philosophy. Why do you keep argueing against them doing what they've always done.
The bounty sytem.
Crime watch.
Sov mechanics.
THE VERY SHIPS WE FLY.
Wormholes
Incursions

What was retribution? Expansion number EIGHTEEN.
For 10 years they've been taking small steps and iterating upon every aspect of the game. You act like for 10 years they've been doing something else.


PS: For the record, I gave CCP 20 bucks for Dust. I mean support as in actual support, and not just saying I'm OK with it.
I'm all for CCP doing other things.
Ghazu
#886 - 2013-01-15 19:01:33 UTC
That emoting platform abomination should just be aborted.

Don't come out it until it's grown some limbs of gameplay, or it won't be worth the effort, the patches the bugs hell the electricity.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#887 - 2013-01-15 19:34:34 UTC
You don't, and shouldn't, have to use it.

It's only worthless if it doesn't interest you. No amount of new missile effects makes shooting other ships any more worthwhile for me, but that doesn't mean I think they shouldn't make new ones.

5 guys doing small iterations on WiS isn't hurting anyone, and would only lead to the kind of stuff you'd like in about the same amount of time, or sooner.

It's not a bad idea to invest team avatar with WiS so that we can get small stuff in the meantime, if theyr'e going to wait 2 years anyways to start doing something.



You're saying do nothing until you can do it all, I'm saying do something on the way to it becoming something.

Maybe I'm naive.
I'd rather more people got something, and you'd rather no one got anything but what interests you.

How is your opinion the better one for EVE?
When it sounds like it's entirely based on your own self interests.

And I openly admit that mine is also entirely based on my own self interests, but mine at least extends to people you'd rather just not care about.

And yesh, that's rather selfrighteous of me. I really can't help it.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#888 - 2013-01-16 00:18:03 UTC
silens vesica wrote:

My interest was why people are still beating this dead horse. Congratulations - You appear to have answered my question: Insanity.


So i have my own shrink here on the forum ,so nice .

and about Dust, i know its real and i know that crap is coming

but i am willing to live with it.

Who knows maybe you could do the same if and when WIS comes to EvE



Fly safe Doc

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#889 - 2013-01-16 00:37:49 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
silens vesica wrote:

My interest was why people are still beating this dead horse. Congratulations - You appear to have answered my question: Insanity.


So i have my own shrink here on the forum ,so nice .

and about Dust, i know its real and i know that crap is coming

but i am willing to live with it.

Who knows maybe you could do the same if and when WIS comes to EvE



Fly safe Doc

I tried to psycoanalyze myself once, ended up committed.

I think you made out pretty good.
Ghazu
#890 - 2013-01-16 06:14:49 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
silens vesica wrote:

My interest was why people are still beating this dead horse. Congratulations - You appear to have answered my question: Insanity.


So i have my own shrink here on the forum ,so nice .

and about Dust, i know its real and i know that crap is coming

but i am willing to live with it.

Who knows maybe you could do the same if and when WIS comes to EvE



Fly safe Doc

I tried to psycoanalyze myself once, ended up committed.

I think you made out pretty good.

lol me too! Maybe with enough xanax I will be able to live with wis in eve.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Thomas Gore
Blackfyre Enterprise
#891 - 2013-01-16 08:18:48 UTC
I'll just add my final words in this debate.

CCP needs to add something to EVE. And by adding I mean a whole new gameplay element. Be it Avatar Gameplay, be it something else, but it needs to be an addition and not tweaks and fixes, like the three last "expansions".

And they need to add them soon, within the next couple of years. Competition (whether or not it's direct) is knocking on the door. Several developers are "stealing" ideas from EVE and at least promising to deliver much more than just FiS, and if all CCP can come up with is lame orbital bombardment and tiericide, they will be in trouble.
Ghazu
#892 - 2013-01-16 09:27:01 UTC
Thomas Gore wrote:
I'll just add my final words in this debate.

CCP needs to add something to EVE. And by adding I mean a whole new gameplay element. Be it Avatar Gameplay, be it something else, but it needs to be an addition and not tweaks and fixes, like the three last "expansions".

And they need to add them soon, within the next couple of years. Competition (whether or not it's direct) is knocking on the door. Several developers are "stealing" ideas from EVE and at least promising to deliver much more than just FiS, and if all CCP can come up with is lame orbital bombardment and tiericide, they will be in trouble.

I agree on brand new content, but I'd like just more fixes maybe 2 more fix expansions at most will do for the next few years.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#893 - 2013-01-16 13:17:26 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Thomas Gore wrote:
I'll just add my final words in this debate.

CCP needs to add something to EVE. And by adding I mean a whole new gameplay element. Be it Avatar Gameplay, be it something else, but it needs to be an addition and not tweaks and fixes, like the three last "expansions".

And they need to add them soon, within the next couple of years. Competition (whether or not it's direct) is knocking on the door. Several developers are "stealing" ideas from EVE and at least promising to deliver much more than just FiS, and if all CCP can come up with is lame orbital bombardment and tiericide, they will be in trouble.

I agree on brand new content, but I'd like just more fixes maybe 2 more fix expansions at most will do for the next few years.


The trouble is, although people like you and I will hang around that long, a lot of people wont. "A few years" is a very long time in the gaming world. Maybe not for us, but for the rest of the gaming world it really is.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#894 - 2013-01-16 14:41:20 UTC
Who will wait for two years for a new pair of shoes, sitting in station? FIS is what makes this game, WIS was meant to be an expansion. Only problem is, it was spoiled by CCP in a way that trolls were happy everyone listened what they have to say.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#895 - 2013-01-16 17:50:41 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Who will wait for two years for a new pair of shoes, sitting in station? FIS is what makes this game, WIS was meant to be an expansion. Only problem is, it was spoiled by CCP in a way that trolls were happy everyone listened what they have to say.



Yeah ,we already know that.
And now they abandoned it in favor for DUST,just before that stuff was integrated ,TA suddenly had to do other work.
So even EvE balance and cosmetic expansions are low on manpower.
But hey it is not so bad ,bc we really need Dust ,so EvE has a few years more.
I bet all those console kiddies are gonna play EvE ,right?Or is it the other way around?




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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#896 - 2013-01-16 17:55:23 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

I tried to psycoanalyze myself once, ended up committed.

I think you made out pretty good.

lol me too! Maybe with enough xanax I will be able to live with wis in eve.

My nerve condition allows me to be on clonazepan for a long as I live, basically xanax or valium.

I won't say how much of the wacky tabbacky I smoke, it's very liberal. Shocked

I could go through a nuclear holicaust and I would be perfectly calm. It's nice.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#897 - 2013-01-17 06:19:54 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Thomas Gore wrote:
I'll just add my final words in this debate.

CCP needs to add something to EVE. And by adding I mean a whole new gameplay element. Be it Avatar Gameplay, be it something else, but it needs to be an addition and not tweaks and fixes, like the three last "expansions".

And they need to add them soon, within the next couple of years. Competition (whether or not it's direct) is knocking on the door. Several developers are "stealing" ideas from EVE and at least promising to deliver much more than just FiS, and if all CCP can come up with is lame orbital bombardment and tiericide, they will be in trouble.

I agree on brand new content, but I'd like just more fixes maybe 2 more fix expansions at most will do for the next few years.


The trouble is, although people like you and I will hang around that long, a lot of people wont. "A few years" is a very long time in the gaming world. Maybe not for us, but for the rest of the gaming world it really is.


Well you still have people with old PC,s ,who can,t play a game that uses DX11 .
Those players will keep EvE in the picture for a long time ,......right? What?.

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#898 - 2013-01-17 06:32:45 UTC
After reading the summit minutes I start to feel sorry for the players looking forward to the POS revamp.

CCP says they are going to update POSs, changes their mind.
CCP says they are going to giv us WiS, changes their mind.

Bit of a pattern.

It's like CCP is terrified of achieving its own vision.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#899 - 2013-01-17 06:38:28 UTC
Flamespar wrote:
After reading the summit minutes I start to feel sorry for the players looking forward to the POS revamp.

CCP says they are going to update POSs, changes their mind.
CCP says they are going to giv us WiS, changes their mind.

Bit of a pattern.

It's like CCP is terrified of achieving its own vision.



but they delivered DUST to all of us ,right?

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#900 - 2013-01-17 06:44:47 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
but they delivered DUST to all of us ,right?

Keeping in mind that that it wasn't entirely CCP's product, from developers to publishers...

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become