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Silence iKillYouu
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2012-10-29 01:51:38 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
wait so, OP and his corp have been in EVE since the beginning, they are still losing to 10 inactive players?

pwnd

U idiot the 10man corp is inactive

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#162 - 2012-10-29 02:18:13 UTC
This thread read like

"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"

If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#163 - 2012-10-29 02:54:24 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
sYnc Vir wrote:
This thread read like

"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"

If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.


Except that no-one is getting killed, and the war is preventing them from carrying on playing, e.g. they are unable to join any alliance.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#164 - 2012-10-29 08:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
chatgris wrote:
Except that no-one is getting killed, and the war is preventing them from carrying on playing, e.g. they are unable to join any alliance.


Again, do not tell me you would not do the same. You can shout on forums about "fair play" but when chips are down, you are as bad of a human being as everyone else playing this s.itty game. Also, alliance diplomat have not actually contacted CEO of Nasranite Watch who might be able sort this out (which would have been smart route to go instead of 8 page threadnaught).
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-10-29 09:18:34 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
This thread read like

"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"

If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.


Exacly.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.
dark torr
FCSB
ROMANIAN-LEGION
#166 - 2012-10-29 13:26:26 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
This thread read like

"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"

If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.


Exacly.



it not about kills or losses ... it about u dont have how to join an alliance
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#167 - 2012-10-29 14:35:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Deen Wispa wrote:
This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.

PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.


The mechanic it self is not an exploit but how they are using it is.

The idea behind the new mechanics is that you better be careful who you declare war on as you may not be able to take it back.

So they were against the war, and left the alliance, but did not get out in time to avoid the mutual war dec. That in itself is fine. working as intended.

But now that war is perpetuated by a corp that is run by inactive alts. They are keeping this war going at zero cost, and zero risk as all their alts that are keeping it active are on inactive accounts. This is where the exploit comes in. They have a corp locked in a permanent war, with zero risk to them selves, while preventing the other corp for accessing game content due to a perpetual war they are unable to fight as the other side is inactive accounts. And yet there is no way to shed this war. Although the mechanic it self is not an exploit, they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used, and in so are grieving another corp at zreo risk and cost to themselves.

When the GOONS made trillions of isk off the new FW mechanics they where using the new mechanic within its limits as it was designed to work. But yet CCP considered that an exploit to the point where accounts where frozen and the earned isk was seized. They were using the mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used, and it was considered an exploit.

As far as I am concerned abusing a mechanic in a way that prevents other players from accessing game content is far worse than what the GOONS did. If what the GOONS did was an exploit then so is this. If not then lift the bans of the GOONS accounts and give them back their isk.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#168 - 2012-10-29 15:25:18 UTC
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.

PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.


The mechanic it self is not an exploit but how they are using it is.

The idea behind the new mechanics is that you better be careful who you declare war on as you may not be able to take it back.

So they were against the war, and left the alliance, but did not get out in time to avoid the mutual war dec. That in itself is fine. working as intended.

But now that war is perpetuated by a corp that is run by inactive alts. They are keeping this war going at zero cost, and zero risk as all their alts that are keeping it active are on inactive accounts. This is where the exploit comes in. They have a corp locked in a permanent war, with zero risk to them selves, while preventing the other corp for accessing game content due to a perpetual war they are unable to fight as the other side is inactive accounts. And yet there is no way to shed this war. Although the mechanic it self is not an exploit, they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used, and in so are grieving another corp at zreo risk and cost to themselves.

When the GOONS made trillions of isk off the new FW mechanics they where using the new mechanic within its limits as it was designed to work. But yet CCP considered that an exploit to the point where accounts where frozen and the earned isk was seized. They were using the mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used, and it was considered an exploit.

As far as I am concerned abusing a mechanic in a way that prevents other players from accessing game content is far worse than what the GOONS did. If what the GOONS did was an exploit then so is this. If not then lift the bans of the GOONS accounts and give them back their isk.


You can not really compare this situation to goon exploit in FW, When CCP 1st time implemented lp for kills they clearly stated if someone is going to make money by destroying their alts it will be considered as exploit and CCP will monitor situation.

So those goons really exploited thing that ccp had declared as exploit.

And in this case you claim that corporation is inactive which it is not, some players may be but almost every corporation in EVE has active and inactive members.

If it is exploit to be inactive while in war then ccp should give free game time to all who are in war.
Rail Gun
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#169 - 2012-10-29 15:26:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rail Gun
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
Deen Wispa wrote:
This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.

PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.


The mechanic it self is not an exploit but how they are using it is.

The idea behind the new mechanics is that you better be careful who you declare war on as you may not be able to take it back.

So they were against the war, and left the alliance, but did not get out in time to avoid the mutual war dec. That in itself is fine. working as intended.

But now that war is perpetuated by a corp that is run by inactive alts. They are keeping this war going at zero cost, and zero risk as all their alts that are keeping it active are on inactive accounts. This is where the exploit comes in. They have a corp locked in a permanent war, with zero risk to them selves, while preventing the other corp for accessing game content due to a perpetual war they are unable to fight as the other side is inactive accounts. And yet there is no way to shed this war. Although the mechanic it self is not an exploit, they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used, and in so are grieving another corp at zreo risk and cost to themselves.

When the GOONS made trillions of isk off the new FW mechanics they where using the new mechanic within its limits as it was designed to work. But yet CCP considered that an exploit to the point where accounts where frozen and the earned isk was seized. They were using the mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used, and it was considered an exploit.

As far as I am concerned abusing a mechanic in a way that prevents other players from accessing game content is far worse than what the GOONS did. If what the GOONS did was an exploit then so is this. If not then lift the bans of the GOONS accounts and give them back their isk.


CCP already said it's not exploit and OP has option to dispand and remake their corporation. How difficult it is to undesrstand? I thought CCP makes the rules for this game?
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#170 - 2012-10-29 15:29:21 UTC
They could remake there corp.

Yes its 10 years old and what not, but there are ways out of it.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-10-29 16:38:21 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
This thread read like

"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"

If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.

reading such an idiotic posts i really wonder: where are these "amateur" players people are talking about all the time? Looks like they all on vacation.... Shocked

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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#172 - 2012-10-30 00:45:35 UTC
You've already been told what to do to get out of the war, its not CCPs fault you're too stubborn to use it. If you're really that attached to the corp use a holding alt to keep it open and maybe some time in the future something will happen and you can go back to it.

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Teh Nurffe
Trillium Invariant
Honorable Third Party
#173 - 2012-10-30 11:54:39 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
You've already been told what to do to get out of the war, its not CCPs fault you're too stubborn to use it. If you're really that attached to the corp use a holding alt to keep it open and maybe some time in the future something will happen and you can go back to it.


or reconsider paying 50b Bear
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#174 - 2012-10-30 17:17:48 UTC
Epic fail on CCP's part.
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2012-10-31 10:20:40 UTC
Systems definitely broken, not that I care but it is broken. Soon enough things will be so ****** up that they will have to fix it, right now noone can wardec someone without getting instantly stuck in a perma war with random people who thy never even wardecced. Amusing, but clearly broken.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#176 - 2012-10-31 11:21:56 UTC
kraiklyn Asatru wrote:
Systems definitely broken, not that I care but it is broken. Soon enough things will be so ****** up that they will have to fix it, right now noone can wardec someone without getting instantly stuck in a perma war with random people who thy never even wardecced. Amusing, but clearly broken.


System is working fine, Reasons are clearly explained on war dec dev blog, current systems eliminates many 'exploits' on old system, there is work around to problem like this is, make a new corp and problem solved.

Funny thing is that same people complained on old system how targets used to make new corporation or used alliance hop trick to evade wardecs who now cry that you can not get rid of wardec anymore when you want.

Old system prevented corporations joining on alliance when they were agressors on war so that is not changed, now allies and mutual wardec gives tools for defender to actually defend and strike back and somehow prevent mindless grifing.

Hopefully on retribution expansion EVE is stepping on new era where true griefers step up to grief wanna be griefers and carebears have tools to strike back.

Hopefully CCP plans to allow actions but add more player action based consequences work well and we get more complex situations where knowing mechanics brings lot of beneifts Lol
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#177 - 2012-10-31 18:45:50 UTC
Seems to me that CCP should do something considering the 10 man corp is not even active or really waging war, seems like they are exploiting a game mechanic thats broken to keep other's in cht situation without any risk to 10 man corp. But also, I smell a setup I think somebody is going to move on you soon. And those guys you allied with may have been in on it (speculation).
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#178 - 2012-10-31 18:56:18 UTC
Piugattuk wrote:
Seems to me that CCP should do something considering the 10 man corp is not even active or really waging war, seems like they are exploiting a game mechanic thats broken to keep other's in cht situation without any risk to 10 man corp. But also, I smell a setup I think somebody is going to move on you soon. And those guys you allied with may have been in on it (speculation).


Now that would be awfully rude since war was actually dropped after diplomatic negotiations but we dont mind more targets Lol
Sando Chelien
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2012-11-01 05:05:04 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
This thread read like

"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"

If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.

reading such an idiotic posts i really wonder: where are these "mature" players people are talking about all the time? Looks like they all on vacation.... Shocked


there, corrected it for ya...
D4mane
Wazan Tme Inc.
Corelum Syndicate
#180 - 2012-11-01 07:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: D4mane
sYnc Vir wrote:
This thread read like

"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"

If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.


I see many just fail at reading and comprehending.

It's not that the war is active, it's the fact that they as a corp can't join an alliance for this particular corp. But the issue going on is much much broken still.

This mechanic is just plain stupid. I don't see the point of the word "MUTUAL" if it really isn't. It's like being in a corp that is in a mutual war -> leaving the corp -> still be at war as an individual -> not being able to join another corp because you are at war.

When the war goes mutual, then there should be a mandatory option to set a ransom (something like insurance fees, based on alliance/corp size or something), that when paid would end the war?