Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am not sure what your time frame is for reference.

Would you consider 2 hours to be a reasonable limit to a play session?

The typical complaint about alleged cloaking vessels haunting a system usually suggest many hours, if not days.

I am sure that all sorts of things happen, if one waits long enough.

2 hours? What's the matter, are you impatient? I've spent days sitting in a system, just waiting for that one juicy guy to blast to smithereens, only to let them buzz around like angry hornets for a few hours until they wear out their aggression again, and then go back on the hunt, looking for the next halpess juicy target to present itself.

What I would put in game as an alternative to local chat in its current use for intel gathering if it was down to me

All of the following:

Sentry probes - Radius of 8 Au. Launched from probe launcher module and moved about system via the map like regular probes. They stay in space for 1 hour and alert the launcher and members of his fleet if any (non-blue) visible ship or moving cloaked ship enters or passes through its sphere. As many probes can be launched at once as skills allow like regular probes.

Sentry Anchored Structure - Launched from cargo hold and anchored like regular mobile bubbles, does the same job as sentry probes above except does not expire and is destructible.

Sentry Pos Module - Attached to pos owned by an alliance holding a high level of sovereignty in the system - gives high or maybe total coverage of system and automatically alerts all members of the alliance present in the system when it detects any (non blue) visible ship or moving cloaked ship.

Implement the above at the same time as local becomes like wormhole space. Then those that make a little effort to protect themselves can still mine/rat/whatever in relative safety while the careless and lazy will get punished if hostile roaming gangs are able to find holes in their defences.

It makes the same sense in nullsec as it does in highsec. They all have "empires". You might be able to make this argument for NPC nullsec, but even those pirates have gates and stations.

Sov nullsec has all the wealth of empire, and is actually meant to have even more. We have better ore (even though the market doesn't think so), we have better planets, and moons to mine, and we even get ships and weapons that are unavailable in highsec. We generate a ton of wealth and we actually have to pay hundreds of millions per system per month, to Concord of all people, for the gates and local and the other trappings of an empire. Because we are a player made empire.



If you want wilderness, a place without the trappings of empire, there are thousands of wormhole systems to go hang out in. Nullsec is not w-space. Quit talking like everything outside of highsec is supposed to be a desolate wasteland. We put a lot of isk into our space. More than tax-dodging highsec mission runners. We probably deserve these things more than they do.

Oh, right, you get the tax revenues of all those planet dwellers out there in nullsec, and you've got these great laboratories where you can develop your own ship designs from scratch!

Heck, you can't even plant more than a single station in any given system with all your power out there in nullsec, even the Ammatar can manage that one!

It does make sense in a game that has month long skill training.

One of the things I like about this game is that it caters more to adults, or at least people who are patient and have long term goals. If I wanted instant gratification, I would go play Call of Duty. I'm happy with Eve the way it is, as a place where I can make long term and high reward plans and see them through. Be that hunting down cap ships nullsec or making big speculations in Jita.

And it doesn't make sense that the whole point of nullsec is a place to get a kill in under 2 hours when ever you please. If you made the choice to pursue that goal, then you have to live with the realities of that. How far do we extend this short time frame of getting what you want? Can I train a carrier in 2 hours? After all, I have a job and a family, why should I have to wait 3 months? How about taking sov? I got real world stuff to do, why can't we just take over all of nullsec in 2 hours?


Example number 34,623 of some one who just wants local gone because they don't want to spend any real time hunting their prey.

Still laughing on some of these details.

I think this fellow has a sense of humor, as it is silly to assume I implied more than the length of an average playing session.
I suspect you understand I referred to being able to play in two hour increments, possibly on a 1 session per day rate due to other real life obligations.

Still, you play it off well, suggesting you have some clever response to my anticipated reply here. We shall see!

Oh, and the fixation on getting kills is more of a sidetrack issue by Lord Zim. My happy moments don't rely on kill mails.

An actual single bomber can only be a threat up to a point.

Now, and I know you are aware of how to fight more cleverly than this, it is an often accepted balance point that effort cancels effort.
If you want to block the efforts of a cloaked vessel, the expectation of needing to commit at least one ship per hostile present is not asking too much.

Whether you have a tanked bait ship, or openly escort using overlapping fields of fire, a cloaked hostile cannot stop you from matching them and neutralizing them by so doing.

I don't consider forcing a response to be overpowered.

I am sure you more than know enough about PvP for the next to be child's play, but some treat AFK Cloaking with far more anxiety than I feel is needed.

If you are in space that is not secured enough to block entry to a hostile pilot, then you must react to that pilot.

Having a dozen pilots all take cover for a minute or two is one thing, but at some point it becomes silly. If they are willing to stay on, meet that commitment.
Keep in mind a few key points, before you declare someone cloaking long term to be too great of a threat.
They are not earning income, or accomplishing anything directly that generates ISK or reward.
If they are depraved enough to be thrilled by the idea they are keeping multiple pilots in check, they are unlikely to do more. You might kill them and spoil their fun if they actually tried anything.

You don't need to stay on and watch them in the chat roster. Just try to avoid being alone with them unless you want the fight. If they ever plan to aggress, they are most likely to do it when they think they will survive. They could go gank in high sec if that was not important to them.

Now see, that's just my little secret.

Who knows where I might be, if I happen to be cloaked?

Seriously though, intel gathering is tainted when a target knows they are being watched. They don't behave the same way as when they are oblivious to your presence.

It is annoying when you can't direct, because terrified PvE pilots think I might be prepped with a cyno, so they run from anyplace they think you might find them vulnerable.

Oh no, I wouldn't be attacking directly, but I would be guiding other forces. Forces that don't actually need cloaks, just targets.

But thanks to local, these guys magically know the invisible ship watches them.