Player Features and Ideas Discussion

>>>>Ahhh, that is a point of beauty right there... will they play it smart, and be cautious while getting a little less...
OR will they be bold, and possibly compensate by using teamwork to hold off the threat of hunters?
I would not be surprised to see both attitudes prevail, where seeing the map statistics made even the hunter think it might be too dangerous to go where a defense fleet is probably operating.

In my opinion:
With the ceiling on this aspect of playing gone, it becomes reasonable to look at the reward side again.
Like it is unbalanced to hunt cloaked vessels with local also reporting them, this reason is also likely putting a cap on current rewards.
I feel that aspect would be an obvious one for devs to consider.

>>>>Meh is not bad. Meh can be where more vulnerable types compromise and work.
It would be hard to reward teamwork if solo play gave the same advantages.

EVE unleashed with this play potential should inspire the devs to make sure the reward is worth the effort.

The economy in EvE is much more robust than you might think, and after the drone regions nerf and the terrible fallout from that I think the devs have more of an awareness of what they can get away with both in terms of buffs and nerfs to payouts in various regions.

Sure. In officer class RR modules.

You are forgetting an older wisdom about avoiding predators, when there are many in an area.
When it is everyone for themselves, you don't need to outrun the predator at all.
You just gotta outrun that last guy.

(You could always use teamwork too, but that is not necessary if you follow the above)


I am impressed at how hard you expect this to be.

At some point, I expect it to be time effective to cooperate and work together.
A share of the reward you win is always worth more than all of the reward beyond your grasp.
The guys who do team up and succeed will also be considered for reward balance.

>>>>I am impressed at how hard you expect this to be.


Keep in mind, the ability to hunt cloaked ships is certain to be introduced, once a change like that occurs with local.

It is simply too obvious of a balance point to be missed, and threads about it keep reinforcing the interest from all sides.

It is likely you could be proactive in hunting these ships. Don't wait for them to attack first, perform patrols of high value systems on a routine basis.
Now certainly, you can only be as secure as your pilots allow, so having them double-check each other might be wise.

Also... I think there is a ninja hiding in your closet....

Thanks for making me laugh. So we'll just assume CCP will finally invent the long awaited cloak hunter with the roll out of delayed local in nullsec.

You know what happens when you _assume_, right?

How about they don't make a cloak hunter, because w-space doesn't seem to need one, and so many people asking for no-local are asking specifically so their covops cloaked ship can't ever be found. You know, so they live up to their name and allow for genuine hit-n-run guerrilla warfare.


Give us all the ice and the highest end minerals, and no, you will not be able to find our cloaky gangs and we won't find yours, and everyone just gets to stumble around blindly hunting absolutely nothing.

Having seen so many threads about people crying over cloaked ships sitting in their system, I would hardly call them impotent. I've also seen plenty of gankers in my own neck of the woods use covops cloaked ships to go where ever they please and strike when ever they please.

I can guess why devs are ignoring it. They ignore it because over powering covops and blops isn't worth the inevitable consequences of over hunting in nullsec. But give us a monopoly on ice and highend minerals to make up for the tech monopoly that got nerfed, and we'll just keep farming FW and L4s and watch the tears roll in from highsec industrialists getting the squeeze and wannabe gankers who still can't find any easy ganks.

2007 is your idea of "fairly recent"?


Incorrect. Oh, sure, if you derp around in a cloaked ship and just attack the first ship you find the instant you enter a system, chances are you'd end up in a bad spot. But, if you sit around and wait patiently, maybe look around for a bit, you'll find someone who's not prepared at all, which would be torn to shreds by even a single torp bomber.

I've seen this happen time and time again, and it's a tactic which works very well. It just isn't very compatible with the xbox generation which must get kills now!

sounds for me like a nooblike scout/whatever

there are enough juicy/nice kills even with local. you just need to be fast enough.

you just sound like an IRC afk-cloaker who is disappointed that the carebears don't undock and let them kill by you.

fix your scouting/probing skills and you get anough nice kills. removing local will not change this thing. People will fly in active fleets you can't kill or use cheap ships with cheap fit cause its some kinda boring to kill t2 fitted drakes all the time.

Because kill mails matter, I'm dissapoint in you.

I don't kill for mails, and the people who do are below the CoD stat humpers in my book.