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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Signal11th
#1341 - 2012-11-19 08:58:24 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Hope full we managed to get him to understand a bit better how whs work.


But back to the matter at hand.

DEATH TO LOCAL!


also remove wormhole mass limits, introduce wormhole stabilizers, remove the free anti-PvP mechanic that is the free cynojamming and allow supers and titans into wormholes, TL:DR I just wish to blob in WH space as well as in 0.0



Fixed that for you.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Frying Doom
#1342 - 2012-11-19 08:58:35 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Oh no you mean D-scan doesn't work in Null now. The Horror Lol

Tell me again how cloaked ships show up on d-scan.

Yes it must be terrible with Null secers apparently being less able to defend them selves while Hi-sec works without the use of a clear local and WH's don't really have one at all.

Have you guys considered applying for an invalid pension?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1343 - 2012-11-19 08:58:56 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Ah yes the I can't blob it so its not got any PvP in it argument.

Nobody's said that

Mirima Thurander wrote:
I'm sorry your in a null sec alliance that can't get any thing done unless its in a 500 man fleet.

I'm sorry you need crutches to get kills.

Mirima Thurander wrote:
But there's more to eve than your blob on blob fifighting.

There's more to eve than ganking ratters.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1344 - 2012-11-19 09:00:28 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Hope full we managed to get him to understand a bit better how whs work.


But back to the matter at hand.

DEATH TO LOCAL!


also remove wormhole mass limits, introduce wormhole stabilizers, remove the free anti-PvP mechanic that is the free cynojamming and allow supers and titans into wormholes, TL:DR I just wish to blob in WH space as well as in 0.0



Fixed that for you.


you didn't need to point that out, I wish to purge wormholes of all the failed alliances living there that couldn't cut it in nullsec, with overwhelming force, not roam them for ~gudfitez~

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1345 - 2012-11-19 09:00:35 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Oh no you mean D-scan doesn't work in Null now. The Horror Lol

Tell me again how cloaked ships show up on d-scan.

Yes it must be terrible with Null secers apparently being less able to defend them selves while Hi-sec works without the use of a clear local and WH's don't really have one at all.

Have you guys considered applying for an invalid pension?

Interestingly enough, I've flown around in hisec on a ton of alts for close to 4 years now, not once have I gotten ganked.

I wonder if this could have something to do with the fact hisec is pretty safe, and that you have to be pretty special slash dumb to get ganked. Or **** someone off enough that they'll go after you specifically.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#1346 - 2012-11-19 09:01:15 UTC
Gosh this thread has come a long way since I last looked in, 20 pages ago.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mirima Thurander
#1347 - 2012-11-19 09:02:38 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Tell me again how cloaked ships show up on d-scan.


They don't.

And I thought we just explained to u there's a group of people in eve that deals with this every day.
See op in thread and then see your alliance take an ACTIVE role in home defiance besides a PASSIVE one.




Something just dawned on me.

U say null ISK sucks.

CCP says the best ISK is where the most risk is at.

Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1348 - 2012-11-19 09:02:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Gosh this thread has come a long way since I last looked in, 20 pages ago.

So 2 hours ago, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1349 - 2012-11-19 09:05:06 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


yeah let me just go back to building capitals while hiding behind mass-limited entry points and free, undefeatable cynojamming

oh wait, that's what you do in wormholes

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Mirima Thurander
#1350 - 2012-11-19 09:05:27 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Gosh this thread has come a long way since I last looked in, 20 pages ago.

So 2 hours ago, then?

3 hours 35 pages.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1351 - 2012-11-19 09:06:30 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


nullsec is the riskiest space, period

wormholes have a fourth the population of nullsec but 1/20th the ship kills

statistically that makes wormholes safer than hisec, let alone k-space 0.0

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frying Doom
#1352 - 2012-11-19 09:06:57 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Mirima Thurander wrote:
But there's more to eve than your blob on blob fifighting.

There's more to eve than ganking ratters.

Yes there is and maybe making Null more like WH is a step in the right direction, give the miners somewhere safer to mine as well as the combat pilots, but have the anoms like they are now. Make people be actively involved in their own safety, like having to use D-Scan and kill of the crutch that is local.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1353 - 2012-11-19 09:07:28 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Tell me again how cloaked ships show up on d-scan.

They don't.

And they shouldn't, so that's fine.

Mirima Thurander wrote:
And I thought we just explained to u there's a group of people in eve that deals with this every day.
See op in thread and then see your alliance take an ACTIVE role in home defiance besides a PASSIVE one.

Let's see. I, and 10 others, can sit and be bored for 8 hours straight while someone else gets bored while making a little more money than they would do in hisec, or we could all go back to hisec and be equally bored, but everyone would at least be making isk.

Choices, choices.

Mirima Thurander wrote:
Something just dawned on me.

U say null ISK sucks.

CCP says the best ISK is where the most risk is at.

Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.

Good joke, tell us another one.

Next I guess you'll tell us hisec is dangerous.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Frying Doom
#1354 - 2012-11-19 09:09:31 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


nullsec is the riskiest space, period

wormholes have a fourth the population of nullsec but 1/20th the ship kills

statistically that makes wormholes safer than hisec, let alone k-space 0.0


And if you take out the corporately sponsored kills coming from ship replacement programs funded by moon mining how much do you have left?

Null has so many kills due to its hand outs, not due to anything else. I asked a goon pilot one day why he blobs, his response "They pay me"

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1355 - 2012-11-19 09:09:52 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:

Mirima Thurander wrote:
But there's more to eve than your blob on blob fifighting.

There's more to eve than ganking ratters.

Yes there is and maybe making Null more like WH is a step in the right direction, give the miners somewhere safer to mine as well as the combat pilots, but have the anoms like they are now. Make people be actively involved in their own safety, like having to use D-Scan and kill of the crutch that is local.

Why leave anoms like they are now?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1356 - 2012-11-19 09:09:55 UTC
Mirima Thurander wrote:


Something just dawned on me.

U say null ISK sucks.

CCP says the best ISK is where the most risk is at.

Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


Very close, null "ISK" sucks because there's really no isk in null for the common member in the alliance, or for small alliances that are unable to hold moons. Only one letter off, not bad.

Put sleeper sites, or wormhole-esque ish/hour in 0.0 so that small powerblocs can survive, larger ones can allow their members to replace their own losses on a regular basis, be able to pay for scouts, and for people to be able to PVE in small fleets effectively and we can talk about removing local from 0.0.
Mirima Thurander
#1357 - 2012-11-19 09:10:13 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


yeah let me just go back to building capitals while hiding behind mass-limited entry points and free, undefeatable cynojamming

oh wait, that's what you do in wormholes

U seam upset u can't steam roll WH corps with out some skill as a small gang.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1358 - 2012-11-19 09:11:03 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
And if you take out the corporately sponsored kills coming from ship replacement programs funded by moon mining how much do you have left?

Null has so many kills due to its hand outs, not due to anything else. I asked a goon pilot one day why he blobs, his response "They pay me"

What do you think would be happening if there were no ship replacement program?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1359 - 2012-11-19 09:11:31 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Andski wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:
Maybe null ISK sucks because there's really no risk to null.


nullsec is the riskiest space, period

wormholes have a fourth the population of nullsec but 1/20th the ship kills

statistically that makes wormholes safer than hisec, let alone k-space 0.0


And if you take out the corporately sponsored kills coming from ship replacement programs funded by moon mining how much do you have left?

Null has so many kills due to its hand outs, not due to anything else. I asked a goon pilot one day why he blobs, his response "They pay me"


You don't get reimbursed if you lose your ratting tengu to stupidity, you only get reimbursed if you are actively helping the alliance in a fleet.

Fun fact: You don't earn any isk/hour when you are in a fleet.
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#1360 - 2012-11-19 09:12:13 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:
Mirima Thurander wrote:

The only differences between WHs and null is

Sov - witch u need blobs for grinding structures.

Gates.

Besides that there the same.

Did cynos just start working in WHs in the last half hour? I guess they finshed that 100% accurate map of all the connections in every WH too. I do feel kinda bad that you can't close WHs to places you don't like anymore. However I feel pretty good that we can make crazy WH money now.

Yes you can make crazy WH money, it is easy turn of all the Moon mining POS's in NULL and you will get close to crazy WH money as you cannot moon mine in a WH.

Oh we have to turn on the miners on all our tech/R64s. High command should really be more on top of this ****.

"Of course you would choose the fun, but you don't lead a relevant entity which has allies." - Colonel Xaven