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i am disappointed in null sec people. (TL:DR talking about local chat.) read first post.

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Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#881 - 2012-11-17 01:01:55 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
By removing local, smaller groups have a chance to actually make an impact on larger alliances and make names for themselves. The only way for smaller alliances/corps to get into 0.0 is by buying there way in which makes the super friends even richer then they already are.



that and what i said in a previous post a page before.

listen im not saying removing local will repair 0.0 but itll make it more interesting. if youre looking for a compromise, leave the blinking feature that lets you know someone enter the system. Just remove the stupid instamember list and how many are in system.



Look, by removing local you ensure that space will be empty and you won't have any targets to shoot.

That's exactly what we were just told WH's look like right now.

Removing local from null won't change that, so there'd be less combat.

Nobody benefits. Not small gangs, not blobs, nobody. Even miners suffer due to lower demand for materials.

In no scenario is this a good idea.

just... stop.

You obviously have no idea how WH local works.

Just because local "looks" empty does not mean the system is empty. Just because you don't "see" anybody, does not mean that there is not someone there! Are you really that dense? Are you really so tied to local that you can't understand the concept that you don't appears in local unless you talk. It's the perfect opportunity to can the upper hand. Choose your battles or loose them.

You do know you have to see a ship on grid to target it, right?

You really think I don't know local is delayed in WH's?

In no scenario is this a good idea.

Hence why you learn how to use d-scans and track your target. Any good tracker only needs to use combat scanners the last 10 seconds of tracking someone on d-scans. Then its warps, withdraw probes, scram and pew pew.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#882 - 2012-11-17 01:02:07 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
just... stop.

You obviously have no idea how WH local works.

Just because local "looks" empty does not mean the system is empty. Just because you don't "see" anybody, does not mean that there is not someone there! Are you really that dense? Are you really so tied to local that you can't understand the concept that you don't appears in local unless you talk. It's the perfect opportunity to get the upper hand. Choose your battles or loose them.

You seem to be willfully ignoring literally all the differences between WHs and nullsec, which have a huge impact on how the lack of local would play out.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#883 - 2012-11-17 01:04:55 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Hence why you learn how to use d-scans and track your target. Any good tracker only needs to use combat scanners the last 10 seconds of tracking someone on d-scans. Then its warps, withdraw probes, scram and pew pew.

Please tell me you actually believe you need combat probes to find ratters in anoms in nullsec.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#884 - 2012-11-17 01:05:07 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Hence why you learn how to use d-scans and track your target. Any good tracker only needs to use combat scanners the last 10 seconds of tracking someone on d-scans. Then its warps, withdraw probes, scram and pew pew.

In order to scan or track something...

...it has to exist in the area you're looking.

So I'll repeat it.

In no scenario is this a good idea.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood
#885 - 2012-11-17 01:06:04 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

The absence of targets, however, is also the absence of target locks, weapon engagement, and ship destruction.

So your latter point is moot.

Your former point is possible right now, with local intact. In fact, local was there when all the great null-sec alliances took power. I guess you guys don't have the makings of a great null-sec alliance if you can't do this in the same environment as past greats.

I expected better points than this.


dont try and play that card.

about 90% of that space was gained by

meta-gaming(BoB etc.)
planned disbandment(Tau Ceti Federation and that alliance that was previously in Red alliances space, forgot the name, etc)
Unplanned disbandment(BoB, Goons etc)
deserted space to occupy disband space(Goons AAA)



DUST 514 player

Ingame name: Vin Vicious
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#886 - 2012-11-17 01:09:44 UTC
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

The absence of targets, however, is also the absence of target locks, weapon engagement, and ship destruction.

So your latter point is moot.

Your former point is possible right now, with local intact. In fact, local was there when all the great null-sec alliances took power. I guess you guys don't have the makings of a great null-sec alliance if you can't do this in the same environment as past greats.

I expected better points than this.


dont try and play that card.

about 90% of that space was gained by

meta-gaming(BoB etc.)
planned disbandment(Tau Ceti Federation and that alliance that was previously in Red alliances space, forgot the name, etc)
Unplanned disbandment(BoB, Goons etc)
deserted space to occupy disband space(Goons AAA)



So you're legitimately trying to say that nobody achieved anything during the era of local in null that wasn't meta or hand-me-downs?

Neato!

But you're still totally wrong.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#887 - 2012-11-17 01:11:39 UTC
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
meta-gaming(BoB etc.)

You realize that this was a few years in the past, and that BoB retook that space a few months later?

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
planned disbandment(Tau Ceti Federation and that alliance that was previously in Red alliances space, forgot the name, etc)

And?

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Unplanned disbandment(BoB, Goons etc)

You mean the areas of space which have changed hands multiple times since then?

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
deserted space to occupy disband space(Goons AAA)

You mean the space which was abandoned 3+ years ago and which has changed hands multiple times since then?

I also see you've conveniently forgotten literally every region which has been taken through combat since then. Oh well.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#888 - 2012-11-17 01:13:43 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
just... stop.

You obviously have no idea how WH local works.

Just because local "looks" empty does not mean the system is empty. Just because you don't "see" anybody, does not mean that there is not someone there! Are you really that dense? Are you really so tied to local that you can't understand the concept that you don't appears in local unless you talk. It's the perfect opportunity to get the upper hand. Choose your battles or loose them.

You seem to be willfully ignoring literally all the differences between WHs and nullsec, which have a huge impact on how the lack of local would play out.

And everybody else is doing the same. Let's all be stubborn ***es. Personally, a delayed local would be perfect for nullsec. The thought of constantly having to watch your own back to an extent within game mechanics of course. Finally being able to put a station up and docking instead of floating in space in a bubble and then not showing up on even d-scans. Station would of course though.... ahhh, the possibilities are endless. Then we could actually mine moons as well. Yay!

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#889 - 2012-11-17 01:14:05 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
meta-gaming(BoB etc.)

You realize that this was a few years in the past, and that BoB retook that space a few months later?

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
planned disbandment(Tau Ceti Federation and that alliance that was previously in Red alliances space, forgot the name, etc)

And?

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
Unplanned disbandment(BoB, Goons etc)

You mean the areas of space which have changed hands multiple times since then?

Ra'Shyne Viper wrote:
deserted space to occupy disband space(Goons AAA)

You mean the space which was abandoned 3+ years ago and which has changed hands multiple times since then?

I also see you've conveniently forgotten literally every region which has been taken through combat since then. Oh well.

NPC alts crying for changes in null from high-sec or WH don't forget things.

They never knew them. Otherwise they'd have the credibility to post on mains.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#890 - 2012-11-17 01:16:04 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
just... stop.

You obviously have no idea how WH local works.

Just because local "looks" empty does not mean the system is empty. Just because you don't "see" anybody, does not mean that there is not someone there! Are you really that dense? Are you really so tied to local that you can't understand the concept that you don't appears in local unless you talk. It's the perfect opportunity to get the upper hand. Choose your battles or loose them.

You seem to be willfully ignoring literally all the differences between WHs and nullsec, which have a huge impact on how the lack of local would play out.

And everybody else is doing the same. Let's all be stubborn ***es. Personally, a delayed local would be perfect for nullsec. The thought of constantly having to watch your own back to an extent within game mechanics of course. Finally being able to put a station up and docking instead of floating in space in a bubble and then not showing up on even d-scans. Station would of course though.... ahhh, the possibilities are endless. Then we could actually mine moons as well. Yay!

Literally both of those fantasies you went on about after you called us all stubborn are already in the game in null.

What there was of them that's coherent anyway.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#891 - 2012-11-17 01:16:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kenneth O'Hara
Wow.... combat probes on rats in anoms? really? you guys are really grasping for straws now for trolling content. Just stop while you are behind.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#892 - 2012-11-17 01:17:29 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Wow.... combat drones on rats in anoms? really? you guys are really grasping for straws now for trolling content. Just stop while you are behind.

Your reading comprehension is absolutely stellar, as always.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#893 - 2012-11-17 01:19:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Wow.... combat drones on rats in anoms? really? you guys are really grasping for straws now for trolling content. Just stop while you are behind.

Without the original quote I can't be sure.

But I believe he was asking if you thought you need combat PROBES to find ratters in anomalies, which show up on a standard ship scanner.

So the point was quite effective.

Comprehension was lacking.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#894 - 2012-11-17 01:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Personally, a delayed local would be perfect for nullsec.

If a delayed local was the only change, no, it wouldn't.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
The thought of constantly having to watch your own back to an extent within game mechanics of course.

I hear there's some space called WHs which provide you with this exact gaming experience.

Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Finally being able to put a station up and docking instead of floating in space in a bubble and then not showing up on even d-scans. Station would of course though.... ahhh, the possibilities are endless. Then we could actually mine moons as well. Yay!

And then you'd sit around and wonder why you're expending all this effort to try to stay alive for this meager reward, only to get popped in an anom by the first roaming gang which passes through because you had absolutely no way of knowing they were there before the first one uncloaked and pointed you. Then you'd swear over the shiploss and move back to WHs where it'd be safer and higher rewards for less effort.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#895 - 2012-11-17 01:20:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
Wow.... combat drones on rats in anoms? really? you guys are really grasping for straws now for trolling content. Just stop while you are behind.

Reading comprehension: decidedly sub-optimal. You'd almost think he was trolling.

Almost.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ra'Shyne Viper
Native Freshfood
#896 - 2012-11-17 01:31:19 UTC
ITT: Local chat is alliance backbone and is how things get done.

DUST 514 player

Ingame name: Vin Vicious
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#897 - 2012-11-17 01:34:16 UTC
Tell us all about what this "alliance backbone" is used for.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#898 - 2012-11-17 01:35:57 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
And then you'd sit around and wonder why you're expending all this effort to try to stay alive for this meager reward, only to get popped in an anom by the first roaming gang which passes through because you had absolutely no way of knowing they were there before the first one uncloaked and pointed you. Then you'd swear over the shiploss and move back to WHs where it'd be safer and higher rewards for less effort.

Just so you know, You don't need local to run anoms, or greens as we call them. We have the same risk in WH anoms. It's called d-scans. learn 2 play the game newbs. Here let me help you local fanatics out.

http://fiercewebs.com/arcdragon/joomla/index.php/the-guide

There you go, a complete comprehensive guide to WHs. and as an added bonus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM3MEFRLGkY

how to use D-scans... Like a Baws!

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#899 - 2012-11-17 01:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: BoBoZoBo
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
I would like to take this opportunity to point out the obvious. Yeah, I already know there is going to be a lot of hate replies but oh well. I also said I was not sticking around. I lied. I just wanted to wait a see if someone with more experience than I would come along and post an intelligent thought for once. Ok on to the obvious!

This thread is now full of goonswarm trolls and are still the only ones defending local in nullsec. To those that are defending that are not a part of goonswarm, I believe you are corporate spies for goonswarm. If your not, prove it!

I vote a move to have this thread locked for ranting and redundancy of rants with no valid points all saying the same thing on both sides of the argument. Both side's points have been made here and there and duly noted I am sure.

I say all you goonswarm folks need to move out into W-space if you are that bored and hard pressed for money. Way more isk to be made in WHs than hisec and it's not as risky as you might think. You can literately go for days without seeing a soul unless your not keeping up with d-scans and staying in one spot for too long.

Edit: Special thanks to BoBoZoBo and Ra'Shyne Viper.


1) Special thanks for what?

2) Agreed this thread should be locked. It has all been said over and over, some guys just want to ignore what the other is saying mostly based on some stupid thing like not posting with what they think is their main/alt or because they have the wrong corp tag. WTF does that have anything to do with anything... ridiculous. Personally, it gives me no motivation to go back to Null living so enjoy the diminished population guys. In the end it has nothing to do with the disposition of local chat, it's really how you are running the sandbox space CCP has gifted you.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#900 - 2012-11-17 01:40:20 UTC
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:
We have the same risk in WH anoms.

No.
You.
Don't.
You have less.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)